It should be obvious that this is snake oil. No research group is anywhere close to bringing a human embryo to term in an artificial womb, let alone the robot gimmick.
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manqiangrexue
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It's fairly widely reported, although I hope that there is some embellishment or miscommunication when people say that it needs to be implanted into a humanoid robot because that's crazy stupid. But if anyone can even begin to try to make some refrigerator-looking machine that can surrogate a rat/pig embryo and we can start to work out the issues, it would be a very good step forward. They say they want to get the prototype working this year, but even if that's a big exaggeration, they're still way ahead of the game.
This is badly needed. Chinese people move forward and refuse to look back; that's how we went quickly from a society where people had 6 kids to one where 1 out of 6 couples decide to have a kid (that's an exaggeration but you get the point). 1,000 years ago, we rode horses, used messengers, fanned ourselves in the summer; today, we fly on airplanes, text/call and have air condition. 1,000 years ago, if you had a disease, doctors tried a few plant roots on you and if it didn't work, you died. Today, we go through surgery and chemotherapy to stay alive long past when we were due to expire. Who's to say that reproduction cannot radically change? I'm telling you, pregnancy is a cannon fired at a woman's body; they don't want it anymore and we need an alternative or we're going to see a population plummet. I used to think that we need to focus on the cultural aspect to make people more family-oriented but I just don't know if that'll be enough. Giving birth multiple times is so destructive to a woman's body, I don't know if there's anything in terms of support, money, stimulus we can give them to make them want to do it now that they've learned and built entire support networks on why everyone's fine not reproducing.
My wife loves everything about being a mother; she is dedicated, brags about their every achievement and tires herself out everyday going above and beyond getting them everything they need and want. But if, at the beginning, she was faced with the cost of ending up losing all her sex appeal and looking like one of those mothers we see at the park with flabby arms, no ass and an orangutan torso, she won't do it. She'll probably cry herself to death if she woke up one day and looked like that and my greatest fear before getting married was also to have a girlfriend who looks like a Ferrari turn into a wife who looks like a Daewoo after she gives birth. We need to usher in a new age of machine birth.
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Yes but surrogacy is illegal in China, and I don’t think the party will make it legal this lifetime, due to ideological reasons as well(baring maybe a major demographic crisis/collaspe). Not everyone is as well off as you and your wife to be able to afford going to foreign countries to carry out such a procedure. So it’s generally unaffordable for the average person.
Gotta admit you got a good sense of humour. Made me laugh so hard . Lmao
However I get your point. I respect women a lot, since I saw how hard my mum worked to raise us(6 children) and was working part time on top of that, though my dad did the rest of the hard work bringing most of the money to bills home . I think most men don’t understand how hard it is to be a mum as well, I will take even the hardest job in the world over raising children myself. It’s actually the toughest job in the worl . lol many men don’t understand this, that’s why I always praise my wife almost everyday for being so tough to look well after our 4children, and the most amazing thing is that she has been been able to work her body back to where she still looks so fit and in good shape , but she does work the fuck hard for that(good diet and exercise almost everyday) . She’s very dedicated to that(I know vast majority of people don’t have this discipline and dedication, so I’m proud and happy I have a special wife like this).
Motherhood is not easy at all, but the toughest period for raising children is from when they are born until they are 5 years old. After the 5 years things are much easier and as they become more indepdent and be able to do things themselves.All our kids are over 12 years old now (good thing we had them young). So we are able to dedicate more time for ourselves as wellI. It’s the best joy in our life to have children, wouldn’t replace any job or career for that. Especially when you each them grow and you can proud to say those are your kids. It’s my priest achievement actually. I just can’t imagine why people would want to life live alone until old age, it’s weird in my mind . I guess it’s also a mindset thing, I come from a large family , so does my wife as well, so we both know the joys of growing up with lots of siblings and we both had the mindset of having a middle/large family from the start . Couldn’t imagine myself without my brothers and sisters and boring life will be (reason I often feel bad for so single kids) .
So I guess it’s also important to find someone who shares your vision and values about family life .
There isn't a prototype, this story is just fraud. I recall you mentioning you worked in the biotech field, you ought to understand how fiendishly difficult replicating the umpteen functions of a placenta is. Not just replicate, replicate perfectly because this technology will get buried for good if the first prototypes result in anything but a golden child. And not just without obvious developmental or congenital abnormalities, but issues later in life like schizophrenia or autism. Everything has to be perfect or it's over.
Even if the technology existed today - which it doesn't and won't for at least another quarter century - and functioned perfectly, no regulator would permit it before a decades long study of the children resulting from it. Think of what IVF had to go through (a laughably trivial problem compared to complete ectogenesis) to get accepted. By the way, it's not just a Western thing, Chinese biotech restrictions and attitudes among both the elite and the public are more conservative than the West, especially since the He Jiankui incident.
There'll be drugs and cosmetic surgery to effectively address this vanity long before there are artificial wombs.
Yeah, it's been a thing for ages now. And it's orders of magnitude easier to just lower the cost than develop whatever artifical womb nonsense.
manqiangrexue
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I support increasing the Chinese fertility rate. There is no consolation prize or mercy for losing the superpower race due to your own morals.
They were $40K per kid average. The average cost of a new vehicle in the US in 2026 is $50K, just $23K in China. Lots of Chinese people can afford to do it but don't because it's illegal to do it in China and the path to do it abroad is not well-known. That's a lot of Chinese babies unborn, lots of scientists and engineers that America fears.
Let me tell you how much Chinese women hate having their bodies fucked with.
The Chinese lady in the room next to ours had her husband buy a donor egg rather than use hers because she didn't want the chemicals and hormones they would need to inject into her body prior to egg retrieval surgery and because she also didn't want the pain associated with the surgery. For the rest of her life, she will raise a child with no biological connection to her as her son because she didn't want to suffer 5% of what carrying a child and giving birth is like.
Chinese people are fine raising kids; the women just want to protect their bodies.
I work in genetics. Human surrogacy suffers from a major hindrance in the form of immune reaction from the surrogate's body rejecting the embryo as foreign. For this, they need to take immunosuppresants. Machines do not have immune responses. Cultured tissue/flesh can have the immune recognition of the biological mother. Aside from that, the womb needs to keep the fetus safely suspended in fluid, be soft to cushion from damage, and the placenta needs to provide nutrients through diffusion from the maternal blood (or artifical womb fluid) into the fetal blood. It's not undoable.
We'll see the CCP's balancing act between morals and risk aversion against population decline. If there is panic, they will issue a national order for scientists to focus on the artificial womb and if that happens, I think they can get things done very very quickly. If they think have a good century and we'll dust the US before it becomes a problem and use the spoils to increase fertility, they won't support artificial womb tech.
There are drugs and cosmetic surgery today; women just don't want their bodies fucked with like that. They don't want to go to hell and back and they don't want to walk around with fake shit all over them. You see a natural beauty and you see a worn down old woman with cosmetic surgeries all over her and you know they're not the same.
I think this tech is our most surefire way of increasing fertility because from what I see, there is nothing you can pay women in good financial standing to make them want to have kids if they didn't want to before. To do something, you must go with the flow; if you follow the flow, you will find things move easily, smoothly, and success to be natural. If you fight the flow, your path will be ridden with difficulty and success highly doubtful. My observation is that the flow in China is that people adopt new technologies and modernize with great enthusiasm but absolutely hate being backwards. There is even a Chinese saying that a good horse does not turn back to eat the grass it left behind (好马不吃回头草). Artificial wombs and surrogacy represent the future; destroying one's own body through multiple births represents the past. There can easily be a new trend that having many children through artificial womb technology is a status symbol like having many expensive things.
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Never heard of this one before. Is it a new race.