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The War in the Ukraine
- Thread starter SampanViking
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Ukrainian drone units and command posts being struck around Shevyavkovka in the Kharkhiv region as Russian spring offensives begin simultaneously across the board.
Pokrovsk aka Krasoarmeysk now well behind Russian lines, Ukrainian posts being struck by Russian artillery including Krasnopol-M2 rounds. The use of Krasnopol has been much more frequent compared to the earlier years of the war.
Pavlovka area, also under Group Center area of responsibility, Ukrainian UAV control positions under heavy strikes by the 55th Guards Marine Division. This unit is formerly the 155th Marine Brigade of the Far Eastern District. This unit was with Group Vostok in the South Donetsk, them later in Kursk with Group Seversk. The unit was then promoted from brigade to a full division.
Pokrovsk aka Krasoarmeysk now well behind Russian lines, Ukrainian posts being struck by Russian artillery including Krasnopol-M2 rounds. The use of Krasnopol has been much more frequent compared to the earlier years of the war.
Pavlovka area, also under Group Center area of responsibility, Ukrainian UAV control positions under heavy strikes by the 55th Guards Marine Division. This unit is formerly the 155th Marine Brigade of the Far Eastern District. This unit was with Group Vostok in the South Donetsk, them later in Kursk with Group Seversk. The unit was then promoted from brigade to a full division.
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Russia has to do more to protect their oil refineries as this is their 5th largest one with the other big ones being hit days ago
Russia has to do more to protect their oil refineries as this is their 5th largest one with the other big ones being hit days ago
As someone already mentioned, penetrating AD with drones is a matter of mathematics. If you have a 90 percent kill rate, some are bound to obviously slip through.
Yes and i understand that but i think this is also a lack of coverage as this is like the 4th one hit in a week, ether way it’s going to heavily effect Russias military operationsAs someone already mentioned, penetrating AD with drones is a matter of mathematics. If you have a 90 percent kill rate, some are bound to obviously slip through.
Footage of strikes by Russian drones, presumably Lancet-51s, on a Ukrainian Patriot air defense system battalion near Vasylkivske in the Zaporizhia region. The drones struck an M902 launcher and an AN/MPQ-53 radar, part of the Patriot air defense system. Judging by the interface, the Lancet drones have been updated. The extent of the damage to the Patriot air defense systems is unknown; some media outlets believe they are dummy units.
Some will keep claiming decoys, but when it's claimed for the umpteenth time, yeah alright.
If this was a Rubicon act, this unit is known to track it's targets by electronic warfare, hence it's list of kill strikes includes radar systems. They geolocate targets through careless emissions of radar, communications equipment, jamming stations, etc,. If it's emitting, it makes it not a decoy.
Yes and i understand that but i think this is also a lack of coverage as this is like the 4th one hit in a week, ether way it’s going to heavily effect Russias military operations
Affect military operations, no it won't. You have some fuel tanks that were burning. Like the ones that were hit previously like last year and subsequently got repaired. Gas prices all over Russia barely spiked aside from the summer demand. The Soviet style infrastructure is highly redundant, repairable and decentralized. They were designed for the inevitability of war, even for a nuclear war. For the same reasons why it won't be easy for the Russians to take out Ukraine's power grid.
On the other hand, all those money and resources spent on the drones making those strikes could be better spent on drones used directly defending on the battlefield, as the Russians have sprung their spring offensives.
You need to read what it actually takes to destroy a refinery. See the Ploesti refinery air raids in WW2. You should also read Adolf Galland's The First and The Last, why he opposes futile bomber and V-weapon attacks on the British Isles in favor of concentrating resources on mass concentration of German fighters and interceptors against Allied Bomber raids, to make it too costly for the Allies to continue.
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If you don’t think these constant attacks and massive fires on Russias oil refineries aren’t a big issue, that’s crazy because they are it’s small fires or small refineries but the biggest ones in Russia, that Russia has now announced to shutting down exports of oil from what I have read, so yes I do find it likely these constant attacks will effect Russias military operations. Spending money on drones to attack the biggest oil refiners is actually money well spent, Ukraine has more than enough drones that they don’t have to pick and chooseAffect military operations, no it won't. You have some fuel tanks that were burning. Like the ones that were hit previously like last year and subsequently got repaired. Gas prices all over Russia barely spiked aside from the summer demand. The Soviet style infrastructure is highly redundant, repairable and decentralized. They were designed for the inevitability of war, even for a nuclear war. For the same reasons why it won't be easy for the Russians to take out Ukraine's power grid.
On the other hand, all those money and resources spent on the drones making those strikes could be better spent on drones used directly defending on the battlefield, as the Russians have sprung their spring offensives.
You need to read what it actually takes to destroy a refinery. See the Ploesti refinery air raids in WW2. You should also read Adolf Galland's The First and The Last, why he opposes futile bomber and V-weapon attacks on the British Isles in favor of concentrating resources on mass concentration of German fighters and interceptors against Allied Bomber raids, to make it too costly for the Allies to continue.
If you don’t think these constant attacks and massive fires on Russias oil refineries aren’t a big issue, that’s crazy because they are it’s small fires or small refineries but the biggest ones in Russia, that Russia has now announced to shutting down exports of oil from what I have read, so yes I do find it likely these constant attacks will effect Russias military operations. Spending money on drones to attack the biggest oil refiners is actually money well spent, Ukraine has more than enough drones that they don’t have to pick and choose
Nope. They shut down the export of refined oil products, namely gasoline, which is also what China is doing. Except the Russian military doesn't run on gasoline but diesel. They never shut down the outflow of crude and crude is the main export especially to China and India. The sources of this crude is much deeper inland and towards the Arctic, and guess what, China has a direct pipeline with Russia for this crude and is building more pipelines. On top of that, Russia is exporting LNG, which also doesn't go through these refineries and Urea for fertilizer. The LNG need to be transported using special tankers, which obviously means it's either the Russian state tankers or by COSCO, and unless you want a direct war with China, you don't touch COSCO ships.
Furthermore, it's the Europeans and other countries that need these gasoline and without the gasoline, this has a significant impact on their economy and their appetite to fund Ukraine. Ironically the electricity that Hungary and Slovakia sends to Ukraine are obtained from the burning of Russian oil, and when that Druzhba pipeline is shut off, Hungary and Slovakia will stop sending electricity to Ukraine, and electricity is needed to make and charge these drines. For that matter, rising fuel and electricity prices in Europe makes it more politically problematic for other bordering countries to send fuel and electricity to Ukraine without cost to their own people. Your logistics is now running on fuel that has to be refined from oil that costs over $100 a barrel now.
As for having enough drones, I keep hearing complaints that the Russians have a 5-6 to 1 drone advantage over the Ukrainians. That doesn't sound to me that Ukraine has enough drones considering their own funds are also cut from the EU with Hungary and Slovakia throwing their veto vote on the EU funds to Ukraine. The US is certainly at this point not sending anything to Ukraine now, especially air defense assets like Patriots, which are now sent to the Middle East.
Many of the drones the Russians are using are manufactured from a cottage industry such as the Molniya and the KVN fiberoptic FPV drones, so there's no centralized site. Russia has the entire Russian landmass to disperse its cottage drone industry. Think about it, in World War 2, the Allies failed to shut down the German cottage industry producing parts for its aircraft despite a concentrated bomber campaign, and Russia is much much bigger than Germany.
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Ok, I was maybe wrong about the oil, but idk about the advantage ratio I think it depends more on the fronts, but ether way hitting oil refiners is very effective tatic, they recently hit the 6th largest one in Russia with 3 drones. Ukraine also makes their own drones so they aren’t totally reliant on Europe for those as much as they are for other weapons. And like I said before Ukraine has enough drones to focus on both the frontlines and the oil refineries. Ether way Ukraine mass attacking Russias biggest oil factories what I think is 4-5 or more ones this week is definitely a big dealNope. They shut down the export of refined oil products, namely gasoline, which is also what China is doing. Except the Russian military doesn't run on gasoline but diesel. They never shut down the outflow of crude and crude is the main export especially to China and India. The sources of this crude is much deeper inland and towards the Arctic, and guess what, China has a direct pipeline with Russia for this crude and is building more pipelines. On top of that, Russia is exporting LNG, which also doesn't go through these refineries and Urea for fertilizer. The LNG need to be transported using special tankers, which obviously means it's either the Russian state tankers or by COSCO, and unless you want a direct war with China, you don't touch COSCO ships.
Furthermore, it's the Europeans and other countries that need these gasoline and without the gasoline, this has a significant impact on their economy and their appetite to fund Ukraine. Ironically the electricity that Hungary and Slovakia sends to Ukraine are obtained from the burning of Russian oil, and when that Druzhba pipeline is shut off, Hungary and Slovakia will stop sending electricity to Ukraine, and electricity is needed to make and charge these drines. For that matter, rising fuel and electricity prices in Europe makes it more politically problematic for other bordering countries to send fuel and electricity to Ukraine without cost to their own people. Your logistics is now running on fuel that has to be refined from oil that costs over $100 a barrel now.
As for having enough drones, I keep hearing complaints that the Russians have a 5-6 to 1 drone advantage over the Ukrainians. That doesn't sound to me that Ukraine has enough drones considering their own funds are also cut from the EU with Hungary and Slovakia throwing their veto vote on the EU funds to Ukraine. The US is certainly at this point not sending anything to Ukraine now, especially air defense assets like Patriots, which are now sent to the Middle East.
Many of the drones the Russians are using are manufactured from a cottage industry such as the Molniya and the KVN fiberoptic FPV drones, so there's no centralized site. Russia has the entire Russian landmass to disperse its cottage drone industry. Think about it, in World War 2, the Allies failed to shut down the German cottage industry producing parts for its aircraft despite a concentrated bomber campaign, and Russia is much much bigger than Germany.