J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VIII

[ACuriousPLAFan]

They’ve been doing similar things since 2019. I feel that this particular report came at the tail end of the original “Three Musketeers” era of PLAAF. Going forward, the line up for tip of the spear will be J-20A, J-20S, and J-35A, with air superiority drones and CCAs an indispensable part of the mix.

Frankly speaking, I wouldn't be surprised if the PLAAF begins adding the J-36 and J-XDS/50 into the mix within the next couple of years, just as both warplanes enter IOTE, should the PLAAF be eager/excited enough to put 6th-gen doctrines and practices into action ASAP.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Frankly speaking, I wouldn't be surprised if the PLAAF begins adding the J-36 and J-XDS/50 into the mix within the next couple of years, just as both warplanes enter IOTE, should the PLAAF be eager/excited enough to put 6th-gen doctrines and practices into action ASAP.

Probably not, but they have already trialed collaborative combat at Dingxin with Type C and Type D air superiority drones and the results are positive. Only real complaint is that the autonomous drones kept on stealing kills from J-20 pilots. In a sense they can experiment sixth gen tactics at a budget with these drones.

 

[Blitzo]

Frankly speaking, I wouldn't be surprised if the PLAAF begins adding the J-36 and J-XDS/50 into the mix within the next couple of years, just as both warplanes enter IOTE, should the PLAAF be eager/excited enough to put 6th-gen doctrines and practices into action ASAP.

It probably won't be within the next couple of years, but after 2-3 years at the fastest.

The pace of J-36 and J-XDS development I'm sure will be aggressive, but I'd be surprised if IOT&E happens "within" the next two years (keeping in mind IOT&E typically coincides with LRIP).

 

[Deino]

Just saw, @huitong posted a new J-20 in his list with the number 78683 aka in service with the Blue Force/OPFOR (177th Brigade) at Dingxin Flight Training Base.
Is there more Info available or regarding the number, which is only partially visible, could it be also 70683 and as such from the already known 97th AB (even if the individual number would be unusual high)? Just to be sure!!

 

[huitong]

The news clip is about a certain PLAAF unit organizing coordinated combat training of three musketeers, J-10C, J-16, and J-20, at a remote airbase deep in the desert. Only Dingxin can have three different types within the same unit

 

[Deino]

The news clip is about a certain PLAAF unit organizing coordinated combat training of three musketeers, J-10C, J-16, and J-20, at a remote airbase deep in the desert. Only Dingxin can have three different types within the same unit

Thank you so much, that’s exactly what I needed.

 

[huitong]

I took a closer look at the video clip and found out that they are actually stationed at Jiuquan Airbase, not Dingxin

 

[bsdnf]

Thanks.




Indeed.
That recent report/article by that Mitchell Institute researcher who was looking at commercial satellite imagery., was kind of amusing at the time.

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Namely this part:
"Beyond the raw numbers of aircraft, Dahm said the satellite imagery also suggested something about how the PLAAF was running the exercise. Pointing to one image that showed small detachments of J-10, J-16, and J-20 fighters gathered at one airfield, he speculated as to why the Chinese would be mixing and matching different types together.

“I’d say best case scenario, these aircraft might be conducting dissimilar air combat training: fighters fighting different types of fighters,” he suggested. “Worst case scenario, the PLA Air Force has moved on to fighter integration, developing tactics, techniques and procedures to combine the capabilities of fourth- and fifth-generation fighters.”"


Of course for us, we've known about their 5th/4.5th gen teaming for years now, so it was kinda odd that they made it seem like it would be a new idea for the PLA to combine those platforms together.
And now barely a month later CCTV straight up airs a segment confirming it in a very public way... which (as you correctly state) is just a recognition that this type of training/tactics development is old hat and that they're already moving onto better things.

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The PLA Daily reported on this, they have already conducted joint training exercises involving both real and simulated loyal wingmen.

The report also mentioned that the exercises included army assault groups and simulated naval formations.

Essentially, a full-element exercise involving the Taiwan Strait.

 

[siegecrossbow]

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The PLA Daily reported on this, they have already conducted joint training exercises involving both real and simulated loyal wingmen.

The report also mentioned that the exercises included army assault groups and simulated naval formations.

Essentially, a full-element exercise involving the Taiwan Strait.

Great. It’s worse than the worst case scenario.

 

[bsdnf]

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The PLA Daily reported on this, they have already conducted joint training exercises involving both real and simulated loyal wingmen.

The report also mentioned that the exercises included army assault groups and simulated naval formations.

Essentially, a full-element exercise involving the Taiwan Strait.

While it's described as a loyal wingman, the report only mentions that "the MUM-T formation roared past, with the 'unmanned wingman' leading the charge, attacking the armored formations on the ground."

It might just GJ-11/21, not necessarily the UCAV shown in the parade.