China Flanker Thread III (land based, exclude J-15)

[siegecrossbow]

Well the near official confirmation from PLA in recent months (someone can link to those sources again if they have those bookmarked, or correct me in stating they are PLA or PLA adjacent sourced rumours) is that some J-11B (?) pilot who is regarded in the PLAAF as a bit of a mid pilot who also has a tendency for carelessness, "defeated" two different types of US fighters in mock fights with one being a stealth and non F-35 aircraft (who else but F-22).

If a PLAAF mid level pilot who is partial to drinking is able to defeat USAF in mock fights on consecutive occasions - both mock fights in question happened on the same week and during the week that USN lost an F-35 to a failed carrier landing, then it begs the question how a Russian source (may be questionable source) claims that F-22 comfortably smashed Su-35s in mock fights.

In fact we know that F-22 comfortably toyed with Iranian fighters and Russian fighters. Rafale beat Su-35 in mock fights and in trials held in tender competitions by nations evaluating Rafale and Su-35 although those may not be entirely based on flight performance alone.

J-11B is no Su-35 in air combat manoeuvres. The F-22 pilot may not have been pushing his aircraft at all. The whole thing could be misunderstanding and/or misrepresentation. The F-22 may not have defeated Su-35 in WVR mock fights but the Russian source was referring more to how superior the F-22 is to the Su-35 in every other aspect and would never allow a Su-35 the opportunity of WVR fight. Who knows. The claim of that J-11B (or rather that pilot) shining against F-35 and F-22 is backed with some confidence.

Well when China exercised with Thailand and flew J-11A against Gripen C, the J-11As reportedly defeated the Gripen in all WVR dogfight scenarios while losing pretty much all the BVR ones. J-11A may have the most experienced pilots operating them and who is to speak on RTAF pilot skills (maybe they're rubbish), but plenty of circumstantial evidence will point to PLAAF instilling and placing emphasis on WVR skills of its pilots. Training and flight hours are higher than USAF in the modern era. PLAAF also employ combat pilots from all over the world to bolster training and ACM tactic awareness. Plenty of evidence shows us that PLAAF is serious about producing high quality pilots. It isn't outrageous to suggest they have randoms who equal and surpass F-22 pilot in his machine.

Li Chao is by no means a mediocre pilot. He is a multi-Golden Helmet winner if I recall correctly and had extensive experience intercepting foreign planes in both the South and South West.

 

[00CuriousObserver]

Deino, I actually think these sort of aerial games of chicken do happen in real life and more frequently than we think -- it's just deliberately not reported on often because both sides know if the release information about it they will both walk away looking bad

I shared a comment about this here:

According to the director of SCSPI, there are more than 10 daily encounters between PLAAF and USAF over the East and South China Sea.

Also this channel is recommended, but it's in Chinese.

 

[siegecrossbow]

I shared a comment about this here:

Well, everyone here should learn Chinese as some point if they want to be serious PLA watchers. No excuse for you folks considering that even Trump’s granddaughter is fluent.

 

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3 j11bg did j11bg inherit anything from the j11D cause the j11D have a slated cone while j11bg is like a normal flanker will J15t radome looks like the j11D radome and does j11bg have a upgraded cockpit

 

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Does anyone have a idea how much tr modules new J16 radar is using and if it's GaN

 

[Deino]

Does anyone have a idea how much tr modules new J16 radar is using and if it's GaN

I think you are simply asking for too much ... all we have since years are (at least per my info) these two diagrams showing maybe the J-16's radar, but we don't know its designation, we have no image yet and the same is for the J-10C, J-11D & J-15T and even more so for the J-20!

 

[tphuang]

That’s because J11BG still use the same architecture as the original J11B.

the interior layout determines what the radome and cone looks like.

as such, J15T uses the most powerful flanker series radar

3 j11bg did j11bg inherit anything from the j11D cause the j11D have a slated cone while j11bg is like a normal flanker will J15t radome looks like the j11D radome and does j11bg have a upgraded cockpit
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[Gloire_bb]

as such, J15T uses the most powerful flanker series radar

...on Al-31f?
This is the question, naval al-31f(not even advanced version) is sufficient for J-15T and even TD(i.e. front array and up to 4 escort pods)

 

[siegecrossbow]

J-15T is pretty much navalized J-11D. There is no comparison between J-15T and J-11BG.

 

[MeiouHades]

China has given the Flanker platform the love it really deserved.