QBZ-191 service rifle family

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
View attachment 169538

Mass induction of silencers.
They look like PAP from the look at the two special vehicles. Also worth to note that PAP type 21 camo uniform is close to PLAG (if not the same) in color.
See the truck and uniform from a 2022 excersize.
499f840411af4bcbbfd0e92453dad785MPMK_m.jpg

Not that matters to your post but I see many following posts assumed PLA troops which then led to silencer debate in conventional battle application.
 
Last edited:

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
That’s why you see lots of AKs with iron sights and cans.
That and AKs top cover rails are crap for mounting optics. The standard set for mounting on an AK is a very high side mount that isn’t exactly optimal for more than a dot with a very iffy radi
Oh we’ve all seen the ridiculous things the PLAGF if capable of.
Mounting suppressors widely isn’t a new thing it started years ago in the U.S..
That logic only applies Recon or Special Operations where stealth matters. In an assault it dosen't make any sense aswell as for patrols where detection matters. Plus I can imagine the logistical and maintance nightmare.
No. Modern Suppressor manufacturing has changed.
A lot of Suppressors used in the past were “washer” based. Basically a cylindrical tube with rubber gaskets precut down the line. The bullet would literally pass through each gasket by contact. This slowed the gas and the bullet. But the gasket had a limited lifespan. Both by shelf life and by the fact you were shooting through it. After a few dozen shots you had to replace the gaskets.
Now some weapons started using more of a muffler type design. Inside the cylinder are baffles and chambers these are made of metal. Like your car’s muffler they trap the gas as it travels behind the bullet. The problem was that manufacturing such was difficult. The Soviet solution was to create a fairly quiet bullet already so that they didn’t need a complicated suppressor. Literally they spot welded washers into the can at angles and by using special 9x39 or 7.62x39 or 5.45x39mm ammo it was fairly quiet.
However more modern CNC and even Additive manufacturing means that the cans are easier to build with more sophisticated baffles and chambers made of light weight yet long durability material. They don’t wear out many have lifespans now that last as long as the host barrel.
With the Rise of drones and night observation equipment proliferating signature management is an even more crucial aspect of modern warfare. Primarily the aim is to reduce muzzle flash.

no, this has absolutely been proved out in Ukraine, both sides are throwing as many suppressors on as possible to try to reduce the units signatures. The US is sending millions of suppressors to Ukraine for just this purpose.
Even before that the U.S. DOD started looking into widespread Suppressor use for infantry as far back as a decade ago.
This seems like a pretty situation specific pic, like CQB type operations in buildings judging by the trucks behind them.
The advantage of a Can if actually being issued isn’t just in CQB. It’s also at range. In fact if anything more so.

Signature management is increasingly the name of the game.
 

PeoplesPoster

Junior Member
T
However more modern CNC and even Additive manufacturing means that the cans are easier to build with more sophisticated baffles and chambers made of light weight yet long durability material. They don’t wear out many have lifespans now that last as long as the host barrel.
With the Rise of drones and night observation equipment proliferating signature management is an even more crucial aspect of modern warfare. Primarily the aim is to reduce muzzle flash.
I can confirm that there are hundreds of dmls 3d printers being installed in the US for suppressor production.
 

zlixOS

Junior Member
Registered Member
That and AKs top cover rails are crap for mounting optics. The standard set for mounting on an AK is a very high side mount that isn’t exactly optimal for more than a dot with a very iffy radi

Mounting suppressors widely isn’t a new thing it started years ago in the U.S..

No. Modern Suppressor manufacturing has changed.
A lot of Suppressors used in the past were “washer” based. Basically a cylindrical tube with rubber gaskets precut down the line. The bullet would literally pass through each gasket by contact. This slowed the gas and the bullet. But the gasket had a limited lifespan. Both by shelf life and by the fact you were shooting through it. After a few dozen shots you had to replace the gaskets.
Now some weapons started using more of a muffler type design. Inside the cylinder are baffles and chambers these are made of metal. Like your car’s muffler they trap the gas as it travels behind the bullet. The problem was that manufacturing such was difficult. The Soviet solution was to create a fairly quiet bullet already so that they didn’t need a complicated suppressor. Literally they spot welded washers into the can at angles and by using special 9x39 or 7.62x39 or 5.45x39mm ammo it was fairly quiet.
However more modern CNC and even Additive manufacturing means that the cans are easier to build with more sophisticated baffles and chambers made of light weight yet long durability material. They don’t wear out many have lifespans now that last as long as the host barrel.
With the Rise of drones and night observation equipment proliferating signature management is an even more crucial aspect of modern warfare. Primarily the aim is to reduce muzzle flash.


Even before that the U.S. DOD started looking into widespread Suppressor use for infantry as far back as a decade ago.

The advantage of a Can if actually being issued isn’t just in CQB. It’s also at range. In fact if anything more so.

Signature management is increasingly the name of the game.
As a personal opinion, I believe CQB is the one area where suppressor use *doesn't* matter as much. No matter what people tell you, there is no element of surprise after the first door is kicked. Suppressors add weight and length and reduce maneuverability in tight corners. Also CQB is the one time one will 100% be wearing hearing protection.
 
  • Like
Reactions: zbb

ohan_qwe

Junior Member
As a personal opinion, I believe CQB is the one area where suppressor use *doesn't* matter as much. No matter what people tell you, there is no element of surprise after the first door is kicked. Suppressors add weight and length and reduce maneuverability in tight corners. Also CQB is the one time one will 100% be wearing hearing protection.
If NVD is used then maybe the flash reduction is noticable.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
As a personal opinion, I believe CQB is the one area where suppressor use *doesn't* matter as much. No matter what people tell you, there is no element of surprise after the first door is kicked. Suppressors add weight and length and reduce maneuverability in tight corners. Also CQB is the one time one will 100% be wearing hearing protection.
Exactly, unless you are using a special ammunition usually in a very specific caliber the amount of sound reduction isn’t that much.
Especially since Flow through design means the can has endurance but it’s not as capable of sound reduction. The design is meant more to deal with thermal buildup. Cans get hot that’s part of how they wear out. Flow through uses the gas flow to draw in fresh air as it’s fired through this is meant for heat forced convection. By having more air flow the can is allowing more of the escaping gases to break the sound barrier.
 

Clango

Junior Member
Registered Member
Top