09V/09VI (095/096) Nuclear Submarine Thread

mack8

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I'm feeling very generous today - but not that generous - so covered in watermarks and not full res.

Should you wish to republish this anywhere - and you know who you are - GIVE FULL CREDIT!!!

The boat is semi-submerged, still on the barge, with the waterlines visible

Details:
110 metres in length
12.5 metres wide
X Tail
Poss Pumpjet - can't quite tell in this imagery. I'd like to say yes though.
Sail about 15 metres in length, 20 metres from bow
No VLS visible but looks like possible tarp behind sail
Reactor paneling removed as usual
Many thanks, so the pump jet is not clearly visible even in the high res version?
 

tphuang

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excellent. So, basically Chinese Seawolf in dimensions. I wouldn't worry too much about the VLS size. if they felt the need for a SSGN, they can easily stretch this to "Jimmy Carter" length and have a much larger VLS section.

This is the first Chinese submarine designed and produced after China achieved competitiveness in nuclear industry supply chain, precision manufacturing, high end steel and sensors. So, they are finally able to produce something as large as the original seawolf, but with more modern machining tools, sensors and compute.
 

Confusionism

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View attachment 169596
I'm feeling very generous today - but not that generous - so covered in watermarks and not full res.

Should you wish to republish this anywhere - and you know who you are - GIVE FULL CREDIT!!!

The boat is semi-submerged, still on the barge, with the waterlines visible

Details:
110 metres in length
12.5 metres wide
X Tail
Poss Pumpjet - can't quite tell in this imagery. I'd like to say yes though.
Sail about 15 metres in length, 20 metres from bow
No VLS visible but looks like possible tarp behind sail
Reactor paneling removed as usual
A reminder: I'm not sure what your license agreement is for acquiring satellite imagery, but I suspect you might face the same issues as Naval News. Making the image public might not be permitted either, especially since your website is visible on the photo.
 

AndrewS

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excellent. So, basically Chinese Seawolf in dimensions. I wouldn't worry too much about the VLS size. if they felt the need for a SSGN, they can easily stretch this to "Jimmy Carter" length and have a much larger VLS section.

This is the first Chinese submarine designed and produced after China achieved competitiveness in nuclear industry supply chain, precision manufacturing, high end steel and sensors. So, they are finally able to produce something as large as the original seawolf, but with more modern machining tools, sensors and compute.

Based on a 12.5m diameter and 110m length, I think it's better to say that it is slightly larger than a Seawolf.
 

antiterror13

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A reminder: I'm not sure what your license agreement is for acquiring satellite imagery, but I suspect you might face the same issues as Naval News. Making the image public might not be permitted either, especially since your website is visible on the photo.

Let @TopolMSS27 worry about it, and you don't need to worry. I am sure TopolMSS27 knows what he/she is doing
 

TopolMSS27

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That does look like VLS space before the sail to me.
There does appear to be a square like area before the sail. I 'm not too convinced about behind the sail at the moment, particularly as one of the tie-offs goes to that area. But who knows.

Even at 30cm it's hard to tell due to shadows, and even adding exposure to it as Deino has, and I have done here, doesn't give much.

The length given is approximate - it actually came in at 107 metres - and that is allowing for pumpjet propulsion.
 

AndrewS

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Probably this is a PLAN sub milestone as the 6th gens were for PLAAF. Looking a bit ahead, if they will start pumping 095s at the rate we observed for the latest 093Bs, a highly significant number of boats might be in the water even by the end of this decade, would this be a reasonable assessment?

It makes sense for them to spend at least a year to test out and redesign, before going to mass-production.

Based on the Virginia SSN programme, it would be another 4-5 years before we see the first mass-produced Type-095A.

But note that back then, the USA wasn't in any particular rush because they had underwater dominance, in addition to the surface navy. In addition design technology (and the ability to make design changes) is way better today.
 
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