09V/09VI (095/096) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[TopolMSS27]

Correct. Happens more often than one thinks, but if I ever breach their confidence, the supply dries up, obviously.

edit: ACuriousPLAFan (I suck at multiquotes and edits) - this image is authentic. Heavily edited as you say, but it matches one of the pictures I saw.

In a way it is cost - I could publish the image on here, but I paid for it.

The last time I did that, the image ended up splashed all over the Internet, my watermarks removed or blurred out, claims the image was paid for by others and suchlike.

In other words - no credit, no money.

 

[para80]

Huh, the sail's position is kinda interesting - Looks to be farther back from the bow than the 093B SSNs.

Early days, and I am forming my own thoughts still, also pending more detailed imagery to come.

That said, this strikes me as a proper clean sheet design, from the ground up, and hence several decisions were taken that do not exactly align with previous designs. My sense is some tech was used (and validated) via Type 09IIIB, but this is a true new design that says good-bye to the 09III and 09I genetics. The hull is much wider, this alone cannot be overstated for engineering etc implications. As I said in the article, I am unsure if its a double or single hull, but its very low in the water compared to 09III, I think much like Seawolf, not by coincidence.

The rest will get clearer in time I'm sure.

 

[sndef888]

OMG, is it finally happening?

Parking to get a front row seat

 

[Deino]

Here is another one, courtesy of a Twitter friend, originally via Weibo.
The crude Paint outlines are mine, red the sail, green the presumed VLS, blue the X tail. The image was taken at an angle, hence the curious proportions. Also I am clearly not HI Sutton with Paint.
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What a chubby thing! ... impressive!

 

[TopolMSS27]

The boat is semi-submerged, still on the barge, with the waterlines visible

Details:
110 metres in length
12.5 metres wide
X Tail
Poss Pumpjet - can't quite tell in this imagery. I'd like to say yes though.
Sail about 15 metres in length, 20 metres from bow
No VLS visible but looks like possible tarp behind sail
Reactor paneling removed as usual

 

[ismellcopium]

Interesting development indeed!

The boat that was launched at Bohai on February 9 wasn't actually a 093B SSN, but the first 095 SSN! No detailed imagery on the SSN has been provided in the article, but I suppose people at Naval News have access to them.

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Incredible development, looks like Yankee's rumour of the first pair of hulls being built & 095A in development last year borne out yet again.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

View attachment 169596
I'm feeling very generous today - but not that generous - so covered in watermarks and not full res.

Should you wish to republish this anywhere - and you know who you are - GIVE FULL CREDIT!!!

I recommend putting the "If Post Photo Without Credit, Curse The Entire Family To Death" and "盗土丝全家" watermarks across the photo XD (In fact, this has been done in the Chinese military watching circles before)

You can also put your logo right over the subject (i.e. the 095 SSN in this case) for added effect lmao

 

[AndrewS]

Early days, and I am forming my own thoughts still, also pending more detailed imagery to come.

That said, this strikes me as a proper clean sheet design, from the ground up, and hence several decisions were taken that do not exactly align with previous designs. My sense is some tech was used (and validated) via Type 09IIIB, but this is a true new design that says good-bye to the 09III and 09I genetics. The hull is much wider, this alone cannot be overstated for engineering etc implications. As I said in the article, I am unsure if its a double or single hull, but its very low in the water compared to 09III, I think much like Seawolf, not by coincidence.

The rest will get clearer in time I'm sure.

Yep, it's not a coincidence. The Seawolf was a clean-sheet design for deepwater operations against an adversary with comparably-quiet submarines.

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It's interesting that the Seawolf used eight of the larger 67cm torpedo tubes, instead of 53cm tubes.
So the Type-095 would probably go with something similar, maybe 65cm like the Russians.

A larger torpedo should provide a advantage in terms of range, speed and sonar over the 53cm torpedoes on the Virginia SSNs.

And today, missiles have become a lot more useful when compared torpedoes since the Seawolf was designed.
So again, that pushes towards a larger torpedo tube to launch encapsulated missiles, if they decide on this.
Larger missiles also push towards using a larger diameter hull for VLS.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

Speaking of which, here's another side-by-side view of 093B and 095 SSNs by @foolsball on Twitter.

Assuming that both SSNs are of the same length - Honestly, I wouldn't rule out the presence of VLS cells/multipack tubes fore of the sail for the time being. The real estate over there looks really tempting...

 

[Maikeru]

Yep, it's not a coincidence. The Seawolf was a clean-sheet design for deepwater operations against an adversary with comparably-quiet submarines.

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It's interesting that the Seawolf used eight of the larger 67cm torpedo tubes, instead of 53cm tubes.
So the Type-095 would probably go with something similar, maybe 65cm like the Russians.

A larger torpedo should provide a advantage in terms of range, speed and sonar over the 53cm torpedoes on the Virginia SSNs.

And today, missiles have become a lot more useful when compared torpedoes since the Seawolf was designed.
So again, that pushes towards a larger torpedo tube to launch encapsulated missiles, if they decide on this.
Larger missiles also push towards using a larger diameter hull for VLS.

Once the Cold War ended the 67cm torpedoes for Seawolf were cancelled so IIRC they use a sleeve inside the tubes to reduce to 533mm - which is the global standard for torpedo tubes solely for historical/inertia reasons.