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00CuriousObserver

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It can be clearly seen from this photo that the radar is too big to be visually concealed

Also note the AC lol

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Maikeru

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it is more than just cost-saving, this will severely complicate US maritime surveillance. Assuming satellites rely on some sort of AI imagery recognition to quickly discern a warship from civilian ships, based on the shape and wake pattern, they could no longer do this and will require enhanced imagery or confirmation from a second source such as aerial assets. it is of course quite convenient that Chinese shores are littered with thousands of these ships, there is simply no way to know which one, if any are operated by the PLA. mere suspicion of these ships being deployed is enough to drastically slow, if not entirely deter, USN deployment into a particular theatre.

In my opinion, assuming this is not a a movie prop, this is as much of a game changer as J-36 or H-20, insofar as Taiwan is concerned.
Replace 'PLA' with 'USN' or 'JMSDF' and you see that this particular boot fits on both feet.
 

pkj

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Yankee just said on air specifically this ship is not a movie prop. He said the reason behind this ship is crazier than Trump class battleship.
Yankee "you think those Nazi German auxiliary cruisers are crazy? The logic behind this ship is crazier than that."

Here's Ayi also saying it's not a prop:
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The type 726 launcher is way close to the other container. It seems to have only inches of clarence for lateral movements and for recoil exhauses. When those multi-spectrum rockets launches, it will obscure the electro-optical tracking of the 1130.

The Type 1130 TEU does seem to need additional bracing for the top beams, expecially for the anything other than calm littoral seas.

Also, as Blitzo pointed out, the bridge is too close to the AESA for safety and for coverage. Both the bridge and the AESA are blocking the Type 344(s). A better placement might be to put the AESA and the 344(s) nearer to the middle of the ship.

The whole thing has that disposal / proof-of-concept look to it......almost as if PLAN simply wanted to response to Trumps' battleships announcement, using elements/concepts we've seen before, but not yet fully matured.
 

AndrewS

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The one detail that makes me a little dubious that this container destroyer is real is the Type730/1130 at the front.

Those guns pack some serious kick, so it would require some serious structural bracing to allow the containers to support it. Especially when it’s stacked so high up. Of course it’s doable, but just seems needlessly making things hard on yourself when a HQ10 launcher in the same position would be far easier from a structural engineering POV, as well as providing better air defence capabilities.

The only justification I can think of for choosing the gun based CIWS is if it’s meant to offer some secondary direct fire defences against close by surface threats like drone boats and/or small coast guard cutters and the like, for long range independent operations far from friendly naval support.

I think calling it a Destroyer is a stretch.

Roughly speaking, it's got a Frigate level sensor layout (presumably with CEC) with a bunch of VLS.

So it could be an arsenal ship that can be "produced" in days in large numbers for a wartime situation?
 

bsdnf

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The type 726 launcher is way close to the other container. It seems to have only inches of clarence for lateral movements and for recoil exhauses. When those multi-spectrum rockets launches, it will obscure the electro-optical tracking of the 1130.

The Type 1130 TEU does seem to need additional bracing for the top beams, expecially for the anything other than calm littoral seas.

Also, as Blitzo pointed out, the bridge is too close to the AESA for safety and for coverage. Both the bridge and the AESA are blocking the Type 344(s). A better placement might be to put the AESA and the 344(s) nearer to the middle of the ship.

The whole thing has that disposal / proof-of-concept look to it......almost as if PLAN simply wanted to response to Trumps' battleships announcement, using elements/concepts we've seen before, but not yet fully matured.
The photos were taken before Trump's battleships announcement, and we all know the PLA's project started much earlier.

I strongly against putting all equipment into a tit-for-tat, "you build A today, so tomorrow I build B in response" mindset. It exists, but not every piece of equipment corresponds directly to it, and please extend the interval to several years.
 
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AndrewS

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The type 726 launcher is way close to the other container. It seems to have only inches of clarence for lateral movements and for recoil exhauses. When those multi-spectrum rockets launches, it will obscure the electro-optical tracking of the 1130.

The Type 1130 TEU does seem to need additional bracing for the top beams, expecially for the anything other than calm littoral seas.

Also, as Blitzo pointed out, the bridge is too close to the AESA for safety and for coverage. Both the bridge and the AESA are blocking the Type 344(s). A better placement might be to put the AESA and the 344(s) nearer to the middle of the ship.

The whole thing has that disposal / proof-of-concept look to it......almost as if PLAN simply wanted to response to Trumps' battleships announcement, using elements/concepts we've seen before, but not yet fully matured.

It's highly unlikely the Type-726 and the CIWS will be used at the same time.

The presence of ASW rockets and torpedoes is interesting. That implies a sonar of some sort, perhaps towed?

And the cost of a 100-teu ship itself looks like $1-2 million. This is literally the lowest cost ship platform available.
 

plawolf

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Interesting that some of the equipment appears to sit beyond the footprint of the container. The Type 730/1130 at the front looks like it would be extremely close, but this shot of the radar proves that it’s bigger than the container width, meaning they cannot conceal it inside a container.

Given how small the overlap in size between the radar base and the container is, and the fact the outer casing is just that, a casing, it’s actually telling that they didn’t bother with the small amount of effort needed to redesign it so that the whole thing can fit inside a container.

But I suspect if we get good detailed pictures of the rest of the equipment, we might well see that more than a couple of them can’t fit inside the containers. That is because the design principle behind this container destroyer design seems to be focused on mass production optimisation rather than full concealment. That means they are pulling existing, off-the-shelf kit that is already in mass production as opposed to making even modest changes to allow everything to fit inside standard containers.

If this is true, then the implications behind this design philosophy is actually extremely chilling, as this isn’t China preparing for a sneaky alpha strike or modern day Q ships as the west will immediately assume, but rather, this is a China preparing for a total war of attrition on par, and probably beyond WWII levels. Since this means they are either expecting their military shipyards to be either out of commission or are at full production and still need to rapidly pump out passable warships on a scale never before done in human history. And you don’t need that kind of fleet to play pure defence.
 
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