Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36)

Blitzo

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Basically 0 changes, IDEFK why on Earth are people hyping this up lmfao.

So I guess these nozzles are here to stay...

I think acknowledging a third prototype flying within one year of the type's maiden flight is still fairly notable.

But I think some people have been spoiled over the last 12-18 months into believing any "notable" new development should be more seismic.


I recall not so long ago when say, the third prototype of the 201X J-20 prototype emerging was still a fairly big deal, and there's no reason why the third prototype of J-36 should be any lesser.
 

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Basically 0 changes, IDEFK why on Earth are people hyping this up lmfao.

So I guess these nozzles are here to stay...
So instead of going embedded exhaust like the original for maximum stealth like a 6th Gen should have
It goes sacrifice stealth for Maneuverability
Wow now watch the f47 and faXX have embedded exhaust for max stealth while j36 and j50 are using 2tvc for Maneuverability when the whole theme of 6th Gen is max stealth and drones so disappointing ☹️ hopefully it changes for the final design
 
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It should be noted that the J-20 took well over 3 years to see its air data sensor/pitot tube removed.

Both the J-36 and J-XDS/50 managed to achieve that within one year, which is a highly encouraging development. We could very well see both of them entering IOTE service before 2030 - Perhaps even roughly at the same time as the F-47 prototype's first flight?
 
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I think acknowledging a third prototype flying within one year of the type's maiden flight is still fairly notable.

But I think some people have been spoiled over the last 12-18 months into believing any "notable" new development should be more seismic.


I recall not so long ago when say, the third prototype of the 201X J-20 prototype emerging was still a fairly big deal, and there's no reason why the third prototype of J-36 should be any lesser.
Because these people are hyping it up to be another "Christmas surprise" which this is definitely not. Also, I doubt the Pentagon is calling any number of staff back for this as what people implied. Neither is this surprisingly fast compared to Coldwar era as the guy implied.
 

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Because these people are hyping it up to be another "Christmas surprise" which this is definitely not. Also, I doubt the Pentagon is calling any number of staff back for this as what people implied. Neither is this surprisingly fast compared to Coldwar era as the guy implied.

I think people were too spoiled with last year's Christmas that it created some unfortunate expectations.

That said, I do think that there are enough people on the Chinese side who are a bit too interested in farming engagement and notoriety... but that's nothing new for us. Vague-posting about new developments without more explicit indicators, should be a clear sign to not feel too much anticipation.
Last year the fact that we had quite clear indicators about the next gen combat aircraft emerging by year's end and gradually having more and more details released were a good reason to acknowledge anticipation.

The question shouldn't be "why were they hyping this up" but rather "was there reason to expect anything specific or groundbreaking"?

IMO the lack of details and the general vagueness shouldn't have given people permission to freewheel speculate and to have "hope" of anything interesting, but rather to settle down instead and acknowledge there might not be anything at all.
 

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I think acknowledging a third prototype flying within one year of the type's maiden flight is still fairly notable.
Yeah, let's be fair, 3rd prototype closes for good any demonstrator talk. This is not a comparative trial, it's a fast paced combat system development program, and we may have to reassess deployment timeline.

Operational status by 2030 is absolutely within realm of possibility. This has huge implications, as we now can count on J-36(and by extension XDS?) to make appearance in any somehow protracted future east Asian conflict. Maybe not on day 1, but it's a factor.
 

latenlazy

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Yeah, let's be fair, 3rd prototype closes for good any demonstrator talk. This is not a comparative trial, it's a fast paced combat system development program, and we may have to reassess deployment timeline.

Operational status by 2030 is absolutely within realm of possibility. This has huge implications, as we now can count on J-36(and by extension XDS?) to make appearance in any somehow protracted future east Asian conflict. Maybe not on day 1, but it's a factor.
Only the people who thought last year’s flight was a demonstrator need to reassess.
 

Tomboy

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Yeah, let's be fair, 3rd prototype closes for good any demonstrator talk. This is not a comparative trial, it's a fast paced combat system development program, and we may have to reassess deployment timeline.

Operational status by 2030 is absolutely within realm of possibility. This has huge implications, as we now can count on J-36(and by extension XDS?) to make appearance in any somehow protracted future east Asian conflict. Maybe not on day 1, but it's a factor.
Question is whether they can get engines ready by then, non VCE powered J-36 will have a massive handicap on range and possibly other systems considering how many sensors it carries onboard. It will limit it's usefulness in a 2IC battle.
 
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