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supersnoop

Colonel
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Here, the only real winner is the wooden pedestal (perhaps the same one used to present the infamous rendering of the F-47). I think we need something better than a rendering.

I say this as someone whose first graphic design job at the age of 18 was to create airbrushed illustrations of the RAM-K (Soviet).

Several years have passed, and the chatter is still the same.
Other winner, high school kids who doodle warships with outrageous specs. Your dreams can come true!
 

Overbom

Brigadier
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N.B. Before anyone starts thinking that I'm shilling the trump class or the US navy, I'm not. I'm just wondering if the concept of amodern missile battleship is really that outlandish.
If Trump was selling us a pure relatively cheap and easy to build arsenal missile ship where the it's only purpose was launching missiles and was basically a fire node that could get inputs from various sensor and C2 nodes that would be one thing

But cramming all that plus sensors, crew, energy intensive equipment, propulsion etc into one, big, expensive, most likely slow to build and in limited numbers, ship then dunno.
Such underwhelming VLS and CP number and radar antennas for it's size.

Instead of the FF(X) and this Battleship.. Compared to that crap, US Navy would be better served if it actually went back to procuring LCS and Zumwalts lol
 

Gloire_bb

Major
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But cramming all that plus sensors, crew, energy intensive equipment, propulsion etc into one, big, expensive, most likely slow to build and in limited numbers, ship then dunno.
Such underwhelming VLS and CP number and radar antennas for it's size.
B/c that's clearly a feature/goal, not a bug.
What's the point of adding more VLS cells, if US struggles to fill existing ones? Note AN/SPG-62 illuminators, USN can't afford to drop compatibility with old mod SM-2s.
Equally, it isn't an attempt to build an ABM node (like ACEV).

It's a DDGX evo(which was a 13500t project). Same ship, but without any growth constrictions and far more survivable. All these 25000t went somewhere - and while a lot of it is structure - it can't be all or even most.
 

Zichan

Junior Member
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B/c that's clearly a feature/goal, not a bug.
What's the point of adding more VLS cells, if US struggles to fill existing ones? Note AN/SPG-62 illuminators, USN can't afford to drop compatibility with old mod SM-2s.
I think this only explains part of the story. The AN/SPG-62 are not there necessarily just due to a surplus of SM-2s. The SM-6 are also SARH capable and can home on targets illuminated by the SPG-62.

The USN prefers to retain SARH for two reasons:
1. faster lock-on target time when turning ARH on SM-6
2. Resilience in a heavy ECM environment
 

another505

Junior Member
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The SADGEST thing is that it isn't a very unique look for a completely new class of ships.
Kirov Class has a very distinctive look for example.
This is like a super sized- burke.

What is the point of those puny 127mm guns? Give it 2 turrets to hold 3 rail guns each. Come on, Trump. You don't even impress the 7 year old me.
 

Lethe

Captain
They can't just sit on Burkes doing nothing any longer.

Surely the logical consequence of recent decisions is that Burke's future is even more secure than it was before. With both Constellation and DDG(X) cancelled, USN is going to want something to occupy the chasm between the ~5k tonne FF-NSC and this ~35k tonne "battleship". Unless there's another new clean-sheet project in the works, that something is going to be a Burke.

To paraphrase George Orwell, if you want a vision of the future, imagine Burkes sailing the high seas -- forever.
 
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SlothmanAllen

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One interesting thing is that the helicopter deck and facilities are slated for V-22 and Future Vertical Lift (aka the MV-75). So regardless of what happens with this class of ship, I think this choice might signal a navalized MV-75 is something that is under consideration for the Navy.

To paraphrase George Orwell, if you want a vision of the future, imagine Burkes sailing the high seas -- forever.

That may be, but I imagine most people wont be able to see them because of the boot stomping on their faces --- forever.
 

AndrewS

Brigadier
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Surely the logical consequence of recent decisions is that Burke's future is even more secure than it was before. With both Constellation and DDG(X) cancelled, USN is going to want something to occupy the chasm between the ~5k tonne FF-NSC and this ~35k tonne "battleship". Unless there's another new clean-sheet project in the works, that something is going to be a Burke.

To paraphrase George Orwell, if you want a vision of the future, imagine Burkes sailing the high seas -- forever.

This Battleship is being estimated to cost $10-15 Billion.

If they only build 1 per year, that's going to consume more money and shipbuilding capacity than the 2 Burkes per year currently being produced.

Where is the shipbuilding capacity to build Burkes and Trump's Battleships?
 
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