India have the environment for nurturing great scammers and BS artists. There is a whole lot of YouTube videos about these people and their ownage by real hackers. It is hilarious! Kidding aside, you need to look at the IQ ranking to gauge the answer. The last one was taken in 2023 and they have an average IQ of 76. Sure you might have a few geniuses but the laws of averages drowned them out.
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It's not just a trade deal. This is the deal that India truly wants:
NZ is gonna open it's doors wider for Indians to work and study. Just what Modi loves. To export more people.
India wants to re-export NZ dairy and food ingredients? Who's up for Indian-processed NZ dairy?
But NZ diary, oils, spices, and rubber gets no tariff exemptions in India. Ostensibly to protect farmers. So NZ dairy imports are only for re-export, not the local market.
I wonder what kinda trade deal this is. Who actually stands to benefit more?
The elites who borrow against the value of their real estate portfolio; with more Indian students theoretically the real estate prices and rents should increase in accordance with demand. Problem is that Indians cram a hundred to a room so real estate growth won’t be as high as when Chinese students were the main group coming in during the 2000s-2010s.
Now, why do the elites do this? Because for tax purposes they borrow against the value of their portfolio and live off this borrowed income which is why they obsess over interest rate movements and why the globalist elites worldwide are so invested in the US dollar system and the need for ultra low interest rates along with massive migration.
Speaking of deals...
Beijing and New Delhi have taken another step towards normalising economic ties after a five-year rift, as China moves to introduce a simplified visa process for Indian nationals that could help it tap India’s fast-growing travel market.
The Chinese embassy in New Delhi said earlier this month that Indian citizens would be able to apply for visas online from December 22, sparing them time-consuming initial in-person visits to the embassy or other consular offices in the country.
The move follows the between India and China in October after a five-year suspension. While the world’s two most populous nations remain strategic rivals competing for regional influence, relations have gradually thawed since a in 2020, analysts said.
“Generally speaking, China is relaxing its visa controls, and for China-India the megatrend is to have more engagement with each other,” said Victor Gao, vice-president of the Centre for China and Globalisation think tank in Beijing. “Granting more flexibility to Indians to visit China … would be highly appreciated.”
The simpler visa policy could help China grab a bigger slice of India’s lucrative outbound travel market, which was worth US$21.6 billion last year and is predicted to balloon to US$61.7 billion by 2033, according to a report by Indian research firm MarketsandMarkets.
Indian tourism to China was growing fast before 2020, with 142,000 Indian nationals visiting the country in 2019, a 19 per cent increase from the previous year, according to travel industry platform India Outbound. But travel then cratered amid the pandemic and growing political tensions.
Travellers from India would be more likely to visit China once they could file visa applications “faster”, said Pradip Putatunda, president of the Indian Recreation Club in Hong Kong, who has extensive contacts among Indian nationals in the city.
“I’m 100 per cent sure it will be helpful and people will react positively,” Putatunda said. “People are willing to go to China for business and for travel purposes.”
Indians face visa restrictions in many countries, making places with simplified travel rules attractive to middle-class tourists, according to Jayant Menon, a senior fellow at the ISEAS – Yusof Ishak Institute in Singapore.
“Any country that simplifies visa requirements for Indian nationals usually benefits significantly from tourism because of the difficulty for Indians travelling to most countries in the world,” Menon said.
China has extended visa-free travel and simpler visa processing policies to dozens of countries since 2023 as part of a push to and .
Business travel between China and India was also likely to rise, analysts said. China’s exports to India of US$113.46 billion in the financial year from April 2024 to March 2025, according to the Indian embassy in Beijing. India shipped US$14.24 billion in goods the other way.
To join global supply chains, India’s businesspeople “can’t avoid creating engagement with China”, Menon said.
If travel is made easier, “the two countries can benefit a lot”, Gao said. “These two economies are complementary to each other.”
As in other countries where Chinese visas are required, online applicants in India still must visit the Chinese embassy or a Chinese consular office for a final evaluation and approval of the travel document.
Ugh. This one reasons I hate capitalism or rather the pursuit of needing to make more profit every year. Like I don't want cheap ass Indian tourists who sleep in the hotel lobby so they don't have to pay for a room. Did you know there are Indian tourists who demand to eat at a restaurant and order the cheapest stuff while demanding the restaurant kicks out everyone but them? Yes these things actually happened in China. For some reason all that crap about how authoritarian or dystopic China is with spy drones, it wasn't enough to stop them acting like this. Weibo is full of "experiences" with these Indian tourists and they make the early obnoxious naive Chinese tourists look truly civilized. Its all relative of how much you can be asshole and there are frankly no limits to it.
But as you know they only look at that US$21.6 billion travel market figure and go WOW I MUST HAVE THAT!
China eases visa rules for India, tapping into US$21.6 billion travel market
Indian nationals will now be able to apply for Chinese visas online as Beijing and New Delhi gradually move to normalise economic ties
Beijing and New Delhi have taken another step towards normalising economic ties after a five-year rift, as China moves to introduce a simplified visa process for Indian nationals that could help it tap India’s fast-growing travel market.
The Chinese embassy in New Delhi said earlier this month that Indian citizens would be able to apply for visas online from December 22, sparing them time-consuming initial in-person visits to the embassy or other consular offices in the country.
The move follows the between India and China in October after a five-year suspension. While the world’s two most populous nations remain strategic rivals competing for regional influence, relations have gradually thawed since a in 2020, analysts said.
“Generally speaking, China is relaxing its visa controls, and for China-India the megatrend is to have more engagement with each other,” said Victor Gao, vice-president of the Centre for China and Globalisation think tank in Beijing. “Granting more flexibility to Indians to visit China … would be highly appreciated.”
The simpler visa policy could help China grab a bigger slice of India’s lucrative outbound travel market, which was worth US$21.6 billion last year and is predicted to balloon to US$61.7 billion by 2033, according to a report by Indian research firm MarketsandMarkets.
Indian tourism to China was growing fast before 2020, with 142,000 Indian nationals visiting the country in 2019, a 19 per cent increase from the previous year, according to travel industry platform India Outbound. But travel then cratered amid the pandemic and growing political tensions.
Travellers from India would be more likely to visit China once they could file visa applications “faster”, said Pradip Putatunda, president of the Indian Recreation Club in Hong Kong, who has extensive contacts among Indian nationals in the city.
“I’m 100 per cent sure it will be helpful and people will react positively,” Putatunda said. “People are willing to go to China for business and for travel purposes.”
Indians face visa restrictions in many countries, making places with simplified travel rules attractive to middle-class tourists, according to Jayant Menon, a senior fellow at the ISEAS – Yusof Ishak Institute in Singapore.
“Any country that simplifies visa requirements for Indian nationals usually benefits significantly from tourism because of the difficulty for Indians travelling to most countries in the world,” Menon said.
China has extended visa-free travel and simpler visa processing policies to dozens of countries since 2023 as part of a push to and .
Business travel between China and India was also likely to rise, analysts said. China’s exports to India of US$113.46 billion in the financial year from April 2024 to March 2025, according to the Indian embassy in Beijing. India shipped US$14.24 billion in goods the other way.
To join global supply chains, India’s businesspeople “can’t avoid creating engagement with China”, Menon said.
If travel is made easier, “the two countries can benefit a lot”, Gao said. “These two economies are complementary to each other.”
As in other countries where Chinese visas are required, online applicants in India still must visit the Chinese embassy or a Chinese consular office for a final evaluation and approval of the travel document.
Ugh. This one reasons I hate capitalism or rather the pursuit of needing to make more profit every year. Like I don't want cheap ass Indian tourists who sleep in the hotel lobby so they don't have to pay for a room. Did you know there are Indian tourists who demand to eat at a restaurant and order the cheapest stuff while demanding the restaurant kicks out everyone but them? Yes these things actually happened in China. For some reason all that crap about how authoritarian or dystopic China is with spy drones, it wasn't enough to stop them acting like this. Weibo is full of "experiences" with these Indian tourists and they make the early obnoxious naive Chinese tourists look truly civilized. Its all relative of how much you can be asshole and there are frankly no limits to it.
But as you know they only look at that US$21.6 billion travel market figure and go WOW I MUST HAVE THAT!
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Thats how you know Modi is really from Gujarat. As they are a merchant based state, Modi is incredible at getting all these countries to sign incredibly crappy deals that are so one sided towards India. Trump would kneel in awe since even he couldn't get people to sign deals that bad despite constantly touting The Art of the Deal. It blows my mind.
I fully understand the frustration and suspicion surrounding China's newly relaxed visa policy for Indian "tourists."
Beijing has little choice but to extend these gestures: it needs to prevent India—and especially the Indian public—from fully committing to the Western bloc. After all, the West's ultimate aim is to see Asia tear itself apart in conflict. War brings devastation; devastation cripples economies and industries; lingering hostilities for decades keep those economies weak—creating the perfect opening for the West to swoop in with a 21st-century Marshall Plan, thereby reinvigorating its own dominance under U.S. leadership.
Who gives a toss? Let those insufferable fools in New Zealand's government reap what they've sown—deepening divisions in an already fracturing society.
Just look at the latest far-right protest there: On December 20, 2025, in South Auckland's Manurewa suburb, a group linked to Destiny Church leader Brian Tamaki (True Patriots of NZ) disrupted a peaceful Sikh Nagar Kirtan procession. About 50 protesters blocked the route, performed a haka, held banners saying "This is New Zealand, not India," and chanted Christian slogans while wearing "Kiwis First" shirts. Police intervened to separate the groups and ensure the parade continued safely—no violence or arrests reported, but it sparked widespread condemnation for racism and intolerance. This was the third such incident targeting minorities in 2025, highlighting rising anti-immigrant sentiment amid debates over multiculturalism.
With the brand-new India-New Zealand Free Trade Agreement—concluded on December 22, 2025 (negotiations wrapped in record time since March)—these tensions are only going to sharpen. The deal eliminates/reduces tariffs on 95% of NZ exports to India (over half duty-free immediately) and gives all Indian goods zero-duty access to NZ, aiming to double bilateral trade in five years. Critics (including some in NZ's coalition government) warn it could accelerate immigration and cultural shifts, fueling backlash. The government risks offloading the fallout onto scapegoats while ignoring the "silent majority's" frustrations—until a fringe populist rides the wave to power, shocking the elites (sound familiar?).
And let's be real: Western elites are laser-focused on anchoring India as a counterweight to China—pushing "China+1" supply chains, Quad alliances, tech transfers, and now trade pacts like this one. It's a rehash of Cold War playbook: cozy up to a rising power, arm it economically/militarily, and hope it serves as frontline buffer (or cannon fodder) against the main rival. They assumed containing the USSR through proxies would work forever; now they're betting the same on China vs. India. LOL—good luck with that delusion. History rarely repeats so neatly.
Alas, I topic I'm deeply opinionated on and have waited to discuss in depth. But in brief: I strongly believe China needs to take a proactive, direct stance towards India and pull them to China's side even at great cost. Failure means India will become a threat that puts the combined West to shame.
Briefly, we need to understand India's current ruling party, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), are very literally fascists:
In brief, the BJP was created by a member of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the oldest continuous fascist party in the world. Indian Fascism isn't about promoting a fictional "glorious nation" like European or Japanese fascists, it's about becoming the colonizer. To really drive home the point. Mahatma Ghandhi's assassin, Nathuram Godse, was a Hindutva and member of the RSS: .
That's right, the RSS wanted to become the oppressors so badly they murdered India's liberator.
This isn't even getting into the direct ties from Hindutva with Nazism and Mussolini.
To make matters worse, who to further the party's agenda. They're also responsible for one of the largest disinformation networks on the planet, spreading anti-China propraganda in the EU. From EU DisInfo Lab:
There is no version of this where China can just sit by and pretend the problem will solve itself. On a practical level, letting fascism take root in such a huge country on China's border will be a problem in the foreseeable future. We're already dealing with the cancer of Japanese Fascism, but at least Japan is a stagnate country dwarfed by China in every metric. India may never become as wealthy or prosperous as China, but the Nazis weren't wealtheir than the British when they bombed London.
In a perfect world, I'd like to see China's relations with India mirror the US with Korea or Japan: unprecedented prosparity for fanatical loyalty in return. It is always better to have friends than enemies.
Just to let you know, the war is inevitable as climate change got worsen. India will side anyone who will fight china no matter how restrained china is.
China won't give up south tibet like they intended in the past as it's future water for Chinese in northwestern half of region which is nessity of national survival when climate change got worsen.
So rather use chance to weaken them. This is really zero sum game and there's no win win solution for this
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America has been dreaming about the overthrow of the SEESEEPEE for over 70 years when all they had to do is somehow get China to let more Indians in. Seriously though, this will hugely decrease the government’s standing in China…