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Temstar

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Singapore next supapowa?
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Singapore PM hopes China, Japan ‘find ways to resolve’ Taiwan Strait row​

Singapore is one of the few Asian countries that didn't come to Beijing this year to celebrate 80th anniversary of Victory over Imperial Japan, nuff said.
Rest assured their absence has been noticed and recorded down.
 

Sardaukar20

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Curious, if ever US decided to weaponize Malacca strait vs China, who will Singapore side with?
I have little to doubt that Singapore will side with the US. Its military is too close to the US, and a large chunk of its younger population are very anti-China. Singapore will definitely suffer for this, as China is responsible for the largest chunk of trade going through the Malacca Straits. But in this day and age, it is better to not underestimate stupidity. The Germans have proven it themselves. Some Singaporeans might think that the non-China trade could compensate. Some fools might even say that the suffering is "worth it". Nevertheless, I'll be happier if Singapore does prove me wrong.

I expect ASEAN to be indecisive on what to do if the Malacca Straits is blockaded by the US. Some nations like Singapore and the Philippines might foolishly support that. Some in ASEAN would be against it. Others would be indecisive. The most important ASEAN member in such a scenario is Indonesia. Can Indonesia offer an alternative route for China through the Sunda or Lombok Straits, or will it be coerced too?
 

Randomuser

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This is not really mentioned but Japanese people in general tend to be quite ignorant of many things of the world around them. I mean why should they care? They're on an island far away from others and for the last century they had it pretty good so they don't really need to know about the outaide world. Kinda like late Qing. Ironically China is more knowledgeable today because it simply has to be. Its directly next to so many countries so one can't afford to be ignorant in this day and age especially if those neighbours are your customers and clients.

As for Singapore, Lee Hsien Loong was the guy who signed CECA which is causing ethnic tensions today. So I'm not surprised by all the bad decisions made under his rule. His dad must be spinning in his grave now.
 

Iracundus

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This is not really mentioned but Japanese people in general tend to be quite ignorant of many things of the world around them. I mean why should they care? They're on an island far away from others and for the last century they had it pretty good so they don't really need to know about the outaide world. Kinda like late Qing. Ironically China is more knowledgeable today because it simply has to be. Its directly next to so many countries so one can't afford to be ignorant in this day and age especially if those neighbours are your customers and clients.

It is not helped by the subtle and sometimes not so subtle bias in the Japanese media portraying the rest of the world as this dangerous inconvenient place with strange foods/customs, and incomprehensible languages in contrast to safe stable Japan. This deters many from travelling internationally and often those that do travel go in groups that have only superficial contact with the place they are going to or the local people so they don't really learn much about the place or other cultures.
 
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manqiangrexue

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Man interviewing Japanese civilians on the streets about the recent Sino-Japan tensions.

Unfortunately, only one old man knew the historical context of what caused the tensions. The others were either blissfully unaware, or were openly supportive of it. They expressed shock, and disgust for China's reaction to Sanae Takaichi's statement. Many of them even support Japan's involvement in an Armed Reunification scenario. Takaichi's approval ratings have also gone up because of this.

Many of the interviewees thought that Taiwan is a separate country from China and a friendly one to Japan. One woman said that Taiwan helped Japan during disasters, so they must help it. Didn't mainland China offered to help Japan too during disasters you fool? Another middle aged man says that if China invades Taiwan, they would come for Okinawa too. Okinawa (Ryukyu) doesn't actually belong to Japan after their surrender in WW2. It was supposed to be an independent nation.

When asked about the Chinese travel bans, many are pleased. They believed that Chinese tourists are rude and uncivilized. Well, I'm also happy for you people. Enjoy more Americans and Indian tourists, and less revenue then.

Most Japanese are unfortunately blissfully unaware about their ugly history. Some even openly despise China. They don't know how deep the anger goes in China and the Chinese diaspora. It is complicated to blame the average Japanese civilian as they have been brainwashed by their government. But stupidity like this can lead to war. Japan's aggression and barbarity in the Sino-Japanese Wars had the full support of the civilian population due in no small part to propaganda, brain washing, and religion. This is a major long term problem for Japan.

I don't think most Japanese know how close they are on a path to war with China. They are lucky that mainland China is ruled by the CPC. They have much better strategic patience than any democratic government. However the Japanese also appear to be unaware that this is not the era where China is weak and defenceless. If they would willingly go to war with China over Taiwan, it'll be the last one for the Japan that they know.
This interviewer is kinda absolutely fucking crazy. I don't know what the actual ratio is in Japan but he really tries to get negative opinions out about China. On another interview, he actually went to say, "Xi Jinping and Putin were together talking about harvesting peoples' organs so they can renew their own vitality. How would you feel if Xi Jinping stole your organs?" People were shocked, like, "Is that true? Um... I would ask him to stop taking my organs." LMFAO that's how stupid this interviewer gets. Up till that moment, I thought I was actually learning how Japanese people felt about China. Then I realized it's a heavily biased interview likely with cherry-picked results.
 

sanctionsevader

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To clarify on the UN vote controversy, whether China abstains or vetos on a UNSC vote in this context (repeated failed attempts to pass previous resolutions on the matter, potential deadlock), the matter will ultimately be won by the USA.

Why?

Unless Russia and China can secure 2/3 majority of the UNGA to support striking down this American resolution, the matter would likely be resolved in a non-legally binding UNGA special emergency session where there are no vetos and 2/3 majority results in a passed resolution. In other words, the plan would pass, as the USA has already secured support from the Arab world, the Islamic world and obviously its allies will vote with it. Any UNGA member state can request this type of emergency session, so it would obviously happen in the event of a Russia/China veto.
 

plawolf

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The Palestinian Authority who only rules the West Bank and are accomplices of the israeli government, maybe. Hamas did ask both Russia and China to veto the agreement.

It was part political expediency, part this is not my problem but mostly China and Russia not interrupting their enemies when they are busy making mistakes.

America had a ‘peace’ plan, if China or Russia vetoed it, then it would have been incredibly easy for America to throw its hands up and claim it tried and blame all the bloodshed and crimes against humanity to come on China and Russia for vetoing peace. As such, it was politically expedient for China and Russia to abstain and allow the motion through without lending it the legitimacy of their support.

The bottom line is that neither China nor Russia cares about Gaza or the Palestinians enough to expend real political and diplomatic capital to do anything about it. They deplore and condemn Israeli action on principle, but they are not going to send their own soldiers over to die to liberate them. So what’s the point in vetoing a peace plan when you don’t have the interest to come up with a better one?

But the real core reason China and Russia allowed the plan through is because they know the Americans and Israelis won’t be able to help themselves but to double cross the Palestinians later and basically genocide all of Gaza. By allowing the peace plan through, they are stripping away any plausible deniability that such a monstrous act is anything but calculated and intentional. They will not allow Israel and America to hide behind the inaction of the UN to claim the genocide of Gaza was an unintended consequence of delays and obstruction at the UN. The UN passed their dream resolution, but if the end result is still the genocide of Gaza as everything went according to their plan, then even the western MSM will be hard pressed to spin that as anything other than totally intentional and what was planned all along.

Does it such for the Palestinians? Absolutely! But that’s all that can be done for them in this current western build world order. Another reason it needs to be stripped down and rebuilt as a more fair and just system of global governance and international relations.
 

Sardaukar20

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This interviewer is kinda absolutely fucking crazy. I don't know what the actual ratio is in Japan but he really tries to get negative opinions out about China. On another interview, he actually went to say, "Xi Jinping and Putin were together talking about harvesting peoples' organs so they can renew their own vitality. How would you feel if Xi Jinping stole your organs?" People were shocked, like, "Is that true? Um... I would ask him to stop taking my organs." LMFAO that's how stupid this interviewer gets. Up till that moment, I thought I was actually learning how Japanese people felt about China. Then I realized it's a heavily biased interview likely with cherry-picked results.
You're right, the interviewer is definitely a POS. He is absolutely gonna look for his anti-China interviewees. That said, the interviews done by the Chinese media in Japan are also gonna be biased towards the anti-war crowd. So we might never really know what the true sentiments in Japan are.

However, based on my gut feeling, the majority of Japanese are gonna be ignorant about WW2 history and operate in that Cold War anti-PRC mentality. They would go along with their leaders' warmongering out of ignorance and fear. It's gonna be difficult to open their eyes, but hopefully the current tensions would make some of them more curious about China.
 
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AntiDK

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The way I see it is that the Japanese people are extremely insular and extremely politically disinterested. This combination means that they'll usually know nothing about what's going on or how it impacts the rest of the world, so asking their opinion is a bit like warning people who don't know better about the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide.

It seriously reminds me of Jin from Japan when he visited China for the first time which completely changed his view.

I believe China and Japan can never establish a proper relationship as long the US maintain its hegemony as it would be furious to see any Japanese leader seeking friendly cooperation with China.

Right now China need to deal a heavy blow towards Japan's economy while maintain focus on dedollarisation and further increase its soft power especially entertainment such as films, gaming and such.


As someone who grew up in Japan, I was exposed to a lot of negative information about China. But I’d always been curious, so I finally decided to see it for myself. Shanghai felt a bit too polished and, honestly, a little boring—but Chongqing was an absolute blast. I don’t even have to mention, but everything was convenient and technologically advanced - Jin from Japan.
 

Iracundus

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However, based on my gut feeling, the majority of Japanese are gonna be ignorant about WW2 history and operate in that Cold War anti-PRC mentality. Their ignorance would then be manipulated by the nationalist leaders to gather consent for a possible war with China.

A lot of this ignorance is because of the education system there deliberately either whitewashes or skims over WW2, aside from focusing on being the victim of the atomic bombings. The origins of the war and its details are usually covered in cursory detail if at all, and then there is sometimes the outright revisionist or denialist stance. At best there might be the superficial acknowledgement of making a mistake but with the implied question of "Why is everyone else still so hung up over it?" stance, all the way to the revisionist claim that they were liberators fighting against white colonialism and that the native populations tragically "misunderstood" and fought against their liberators. Younger Japanese are thus kept ignorant and then react defensively whenever Japan is criticized.

The Japanese news is almost entirely focused on domestic news with very little international news reporting, except again in the most cursory details. There is as a result no real updating of stereotypes about China so many are still stuck with ridiculously outdated stereotypes similar to how some Americans think China is just like a larger impoverished drab looking North Korea. As an example, think of the character Chun-li and the background of her stages in the Street Fighter franchise. They are essentially all either portraying an impoverished or backward looking image with ancient/traditional Chinese styled architecture. The implied message is clear: "poor, backward, stuck in the past". They never portray high tech or modern development. At best they show a Hong Kong movie styled street with the stereotypical neon signage, so still not high tech or cutting edge, with maybe an undercurrent of danger or unsavoriness.
 
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