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Heliox

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Unlike Hong Kong, Singapore have always emphasized on preserving our Chinese roots but maintain racial harmony by not being overly pro China. Thats why we have Speak Mandarin campaigns and compulsory Mandarin language lessons in schools.

We should not easily give in to this culture war by the US to sway our young from our Chinese roots.
With the US massive influence in the english media, this will not be easy. Furthermore, presently we still need the US for our national security so our tiny speck of a nation will need to proceed precariously in geopolitics.

I disagree with you on this.

Outwardly, LKY on the world stage did successfully pull off a balancing act between east and west. As one of the first advocates of fostering ties with an emergent "Communist" China, he may seem pro-Chinese but that is quite far from the truth. What he did was simply a good statesman does, he picked the best course of action that the small, nascent city needed to survive and prosper in a very hostile situation. He made bed with both east and west equally cos Singapore could benefit from both.

Within Singapore however, he was definitely never pro-Chinese. LKY is Peranakan

While Peranakans are of originally of ethnic Chinese origin, culturally they are not Chinese. They have their own evolved culture blending local Malay systems with their own Chinese heritage to the point that they neither consider themselves Malay nor Chinese but Peranakan. My own experience may be extreme but I have "family" that is Peranakan and their viewpoint is rather dismissive of anything Cina (Malay word for Chinese often used in a derogative manner) or Melayu for that matter. They quite view themselves as a race apart from either.

LKY inherited a nation that was largely Chinese and he was acutely aware that he himself was anything but Chinese. He never learnt Chinese as a Peranakan child but rather English and Malay. For him to win votes with the largely Chinese population, he had to appear as one of them - so he learnt Chinese and Hokkien (the predominant immigrant group in Singapore) and used that in Speeches.

Aside:
That is my pet peeve with democracy in it's base form. The winning of votes is all theatre catering to the common denominator. What LKY did do well was, once in office, he and his cabinet were actually capable and pragmatic in what was actually required to build a modern nation. Singapore could be said to be lucky to have him BUT back to why I say he was never pro-Chinese.

Homogenising the Chinese population to one lingua franca makes sense. But in the promoting standard Mandarin, he also crushed all dialects. In the space of two generations, Grandchildren lost the ability to speak to their grandparents as the former was educated in standard Chinese whilst the grandparents could only speak dialect. Nanyang immigrant culture was largely low income, low education and low social strata and as such, largely tradition and oral. When you drastically cut off that transmission by making the next generation unable to communicate with the previous, you are very much diluting their culture unless someone makes the effort to translate and transition the richness of the culture from one generation to the next ... and no one really did so officially. This plays into LKY's hands domestically as it made these rootless Chinese more accepting of him as one of them rather than actually focus on his Peranakaness as being really not one of them.

The other action with a big impact is that Singapore under LKY, got rid of all Chinese schools. This is big as it homogenised successive generations of Chinese children via a central curriculum devoid of race and cultural education. For perspective, Malaysia and Indonesia Chinese both allowed Chinese language schools to be retained. These served as bastions of Chinese culture in a minority setting as these schools actively sought to reinforce what was lacking in the society they were set in.

Diluting the Chinese-ness works in Singapore and PAP (the ruling party) favour as it reduced friction with the vastly Malay majority neighbours and made the significant Peranakan business and political community less conspicuous.

That this made it easier for western culture to make inroads is besides the point. The base reason is not inherently anti-Chinese but for political expediency and survival.
 

Heliox

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Falun Gong treats its believers as utter idiots. The flip side is that you have to be a real moron to be a follower of FLG.

Reminds me of my one run in with the FLG in NYC. My very quick reply to her when I saw the content of the placard she was holding (CPC Organ harvesting) was "白痴才会相信你" [translation = only an idiot will believe]

But, plenty of those there I suppose.
 

horse

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Now that Shein, et. al. have set the template, for sure someone in will step in if Shein folds. But honestly, it doesn't matter who owns Shein as long as it ain't the western fat cats themselves. The key is that these disruptors are undermining the long standing cash cow that manufacturing in Asia afforded to western businesses. The more you undermine their profitability, the less money they have floating around in their economy cos what profit is left is now siphoned off to non-western hands instead.

Yeah, exactly.

Sure, it could be nicer if Shien Inc. or Temu Inc, would all be like Alibaba and be exclusively in China, but this works too.

This is internationalizing China Inc., the retail version. Cutting out the middleman for Western markets.

In the end, as you alluded to, it weakens Western capital.

That is the ultimate irony. Western capitalism, weaken by the CCP who enabled a more cut throat version of capitalism.

Actually, the CCP did not enable a more cut throat version of capitalism, it was just plain old fashion capitalism.
 

Randomuser

Captain
Registered Member
I disagree with you on this.

Outwardly, LKY on the world stage did successfully pull off a balancing act between east and west. As one of the first advocates of fostering ties with an emergent "Communist" China, he may seem pro-Chinese but that is quite far from the truth. What he did was simply a good statesman does, he picked the best course of action that the small, nascent city needed to survive and prosper in a very hostile situation. He made bed with both east and west equally cos Singapore could benefit from both.

Within Singapore however, he was definitely never pro-Chinese. LKY is Peranakan

While Peranakans are of originally of ethnic Chinese origin, culturally they are not Chinese. They have their own evolved culture blending local Malay systems with their own Chinese heritage to the point that they neither consider themselves Malay nor Chinese but Peranakan. My own experience may be extreme but I have "family" that is Peranakan and their viewpoint is rather dismissive of anything Cina (Malay word for Chinese often used in a derogative manner) or Melayu for that matter. They quite view themselves as a race apart from either.

LKY inherited a nation that was largely Chinese and he was acutely aware that he himself was anything but Chinese. He never learnt Chinese as a Peranakan child but rather English and Malay. For him to win votes with the largely Chinese population, he had to appear as one of them - so he learnt Chinese and Hokkien (the predominant immigrant group in Singapore) and used that in Speeches.

Aside:
That is my pet peeve with democracy in it's base form. The winning of votes is all theatre catering to the common denominator. What LKY did do well was, once in office, he and his cabinet were actually capable and pragmatic in what was actually required to build a modern nation. Singapore could be said to be lucky to have him BUT back to why I say he was never pro-Chinese.

Homogenising the Chinese population to one lingua franca makes sense. But in the promoting standard Mandarin, he also crushed all dialects. In the space of two generations, Grandchildren lost the ability to speak to their grandparents as the former was educated in standard Chinese whilst the grandparents could only speak dialect. Nanyang immigrant culture was largely low income, low education and low social strata and as such, largely tradition and oral. When you drastically cut off that transmission by making the next generation unable to communicate with the previous, you are very much diluting their culture unless someone makes the effort to translate and transition the richness of the culture from one generation to the next ... and no one really did so officially. This plays into LKY's hands domestically as it made these rootless Chinese more accepting of him as one of them rather than actually focus on his Peranakaness as being really not one of them.

The other action with a big impact is that Singapore under LKY, got rid of all Chinese schools. This is big as it homogenised successive generations of Chinese children via a central curriculum devoid of race and cultural education. For perspective, Malaysia and Indonesia Chinese both allowed Chinese language schools to be retained. These served as bastions of Chinese culture in a minority setting as these schools actively sought to reinforce what was lacking in the society they were set in.

Diluting the Chinese-ness works in Singapore and PAP (the ruling party) favour as it reduced friction with the vastly Malay majority neighbours and made the significant Peranakan business and political community less conspicuous.

That this made it easier for western culture to make inroads is besides the point. The base reason is not inherently anti-Chinese but for political expediency and survival.
At the end of the day LKY, was simply a being found like 1 in a million. Or maybe even rarer than that. Simply put almost no one else can do what he can do. Certainly not his son. And I guess thats why SG has these issues that the guy on top cannot figure out how to resolve.
 
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