Re: New Generation Fighter
I found on the FYJS board. Some extensive interview with someone that talks about the J-XX. A lot of stuff. Anyone heard of this guy and how legitimate is he?
huzhigeng老大爆料的东西很多都实现了啊，今年看不到重四了，看来他不是在吹牛~-
huzhigeng ：【成都的JJ，本来就机动性比F22强半个档次，这很好理解呀，边条加YA子（YA子比这上面的图要大），升力体机身，况且DSI是可调的，所以从前面看起来。进气道有些怪怪的，不过整机相当科幻，比F22要科幻。】
huzhigeng ：【至于沈阳的那个落选的三翼面雪HU，个子太大，全机重量也大，又长又细，飞控极度复杂，超巡还比不上成都的，隐身性能也比不上成都的（双三角翼对影身还是有些影响的）。机动性双方各有千秋，成都的瞬盘和稳盘相当出色，能量机动更强，所以还加了个大边条，配合YA子，在加莱特和DSI两者选择方面，成都的可调DSI，比不可调的加莱特进气道更先进（601的专家现在也在611所）】
huzhigeng ：【DSI包包是固定的，不能动，但是进气道可调，所以样机从前面看起来很怪，很怪。】
huzhigeng ：【高山的是机腹进气的，四代根本不会机腹进气，高山的图和以前曾经存在于图纸上的大十比较相近。】
huzhigeng ：【F22那样的常规布局我们九十年代就搞得出来，但是F22强大并不只是因为气动布局(F22的气动布局也仅仅是八九十年的最高水平)，而是气动布局加飞控，加强大的拥有推力矢量的发动机，以及强大的电子技术。我们如果和F22一样搞个同样的常规布局，我们本来发动机就比别人差一些(当然WS15和F119一个档次，但是F119也只是美国九十年代的技术)，那还对抗个毛呀。我们的四代的要求说明书对性能可是要求很高的。所以成都要用相当复杂的气动布局，变态的气动布局。】
huzhigeng ：【加莱特进气道611九十年代就搞得很熟了，不要以为加莱特是万能的，天下无敌，也有不少缺限。】
huzhigeng ：【明年底就可以看到样机了，七月份已经基本上发完了图，样机已经开造，601的不少专家整天守在611所，而且毛子不少专家也在611所。所以上次动员开大会相当热闹，各路神仙一起报道。】
huzhigeng：【重型机是全国大协作，方案是611所的，飞控也是611设计的，结构设计是601和611共同设计，(因为双发战机601经验更多，今年重四发图。601所也参与进来了，而且机体结构还是601所为主，东北在机体结构，复合材料部件.钛合金部件方面比成都有优势。所以上次发图，601所忙死掉了，自己的四代要发图，还要帮611所重四一起发图，还好任务已经完成(所以离子鱼才会吹嘘东北得了多少多少，东北人自己有四代，而且重四自己也有份)两边都得。】
枫兰：东北的丝带是不是舰载机啊？难道中国还要搞几个四代？轻中型？重型？舰载的？？
huzhigeng：【东北的最近发了图的是给空军用的，海军的没那么快。】
别离钩 ：huzhigeng 老大，你是说机头、前机身和全尺寸样机有差别，后机身比较接近吗？请赐教
huzhigeng：【611所一般喜欢用机机验证四代技术的，歼十、小龙...不过这个J J 的边条和样机有差别的，四代是类似于小龙和超级大黄蜂那样的尖拱边条，很大的边条哟，发动机屁股是圆的轴对称三百六十度矢推，不是二元的。】
青之六 ：正在造的应该是01原型机吧？因为据某狂热分子疯狗*所说，全尺寸金属样机已经搞定N年了？！
huzhigeng：【全尺寸金属样机确实早已经出来了，可是有人敢进132拍照吗？进得去吗？这个JJ可不会停在草地上让你拍的。01架确实已经在造，样机科幻又比较怪异，特别是从前面看。】
klonoa1121：对了离题一下, huzhigeng你知道J10-21是什么东西吗
huzhigeng：【 我只知道歼十B不是歼十系列的最终改型。】
别离钩：请教 huzhigeng 老大 ，四代机的总设计师是谁？是宋文骢？杨伟？还是新调来的季晓光？
huzhigeng：【伟哥，但是宋也有很大的功劳，基础是他打下下的。当然，11整个团队的功劳。】
cyjsk： 老大可调DSI是什么概念？难道是鼓包可调？那可真是太科幻了。
huzhigeng： 鼓包当然不可调，但是进气道可调，这样最大速度就上去了，一举两得。】
刀锋2009：跟人请教下HUZIGENG哈：你对六代（美标五代）是什么概念？
huzhigeng：【美国人也在论证，到时候就知道，我们也在论证，不过八九不离十，都会差不多的，六代分有人和无人两种。】
freedr ：huzhigeng大大，为什么空军会有两个四代，难道一下搞定高低搭配，还是真如离子鱼所说611的可能只是验证机，或者不会大批量装配的机型。
huzhigeng：【呵呵，611验证机？成都重四和F22一样，不会生产太多，最多三百来架。因为这是重型机，重在精不在多。不像东北的，是量多质稍过去去。我从来没有听说重型机会比中型机装备得多。F22装备数量有F35多？呵呵。】
刀锋2009 ： 发动机还有很多不确定因素，话怎么能说的太满了？
huzhigeng：【首飞发动机肯定不会用WS15。没有一个国家首飞会用新的发动机。美国佬的YF22也不是。毛国也不是。同理我们也不会用。发动机也不会慢。】
jcyjsk ： 谢老大耐心讲解。你说有毛子在611参与丝带，难道不怕泄密啊？俄罗斯这个白眼狼，咱不得不防啊。
huzhigeng：【很早前611就有毛国人。九十年代就请了一些。611的毛国专家主要是机体结构方面的专家。他们是拿我们的工资的。呵呵。。。。】
gotowork ：huzhigeng老大 请教一下 611对于重四的标准（如隐身、超巡、超机动、超视距）和美国一样吗？还是带有中国特色？
huzhigeng：【四代的标准就是隐身、超机动、超巡、超视距。你想想，这是标准。所以我们的四代会少吗？只是我们更侧重于超机动、超巡（所以我们的四代都是比较细长的）。611四代其实是取美国和毛国的精华，有独特中国特色的四代机，有鸭翼，有尖拱大边条，DSI可调进气道，这些难道不有特色？】
巢湖人：貌似学霸们已经说了，四代是鸭翅膀+V型垂尾，其他都和F-22差不多吧。总体上四代和网上推测的应该差不多吧，细节上肯定有区别的啦。懂点行的都可以弄点差不多的图片吧，反正四代出来肯定有相同的地方了。
huzhigeng：【气动布局就已经是相差十万八千里】
刀锋2009 ：不知道第一批次的综合性能和那时候空军版的F35相比怎么样？
huzhigeng：【成都的和F22A一个数量级的。至于F35这种根本不是为了空战的中型对地为主的飞机，不要拿来比了，不是一个档次上的飞机。】
cqx7711： 把当初想像苏俄的丝带改个机徽就可以说是TG的丝带想像图了。
huzhigeng：【毛国四代才是照抄美国佬的，常规布局，可以叫猛禽斯基。我们的是边条、鸭式、隐身、升力体布局，完全不一样。】
公子戈 ：放心歼叉的样子肯定为天下先 这一次 **比俄毛还要变态.......难得啊
huzhigeng：【没办法。想要和F22A对抗，不变态都不行，毛国，就算了吧，现在成了阿斗了。不过也好，骗骗阿三的银子也可以。】
simon30501 ：哇，老大们泻了这么多料，看得小弟我红彤彤的冒。想问一个，隐身涂料什么的有啥讲究？有没用到更科幻的隐身技术类似于等离子。
huzhigeng：【现在的等离子只能用于局部】
如果可以重来：两个腹鳍真是最大的败笔阿,还能隐身么
Huzhigeng：【样机没腹鳍】
hu14 ： 有料的大佬在呀，嗯，还是有几个疑问的：
1、可调的DSI，我一直以为用DSI的主要优点是可以减重，可以省去调节的结构。可调的真是第一次听说，怪不得说科幻呢
2、是不是全动的V尾呢，似乎没提到这个
3、俄式的全向
Huzhigeng：【第一个，上面已经说了，DSI包包不可调，但是进气道可调。】
【第二个，611全动V尾技术早就成熟，从样机上看不出会不会动，毕竟是样机不是原型机】
【第三个，超巡是各方面综合的，并不一定说轴对称就阻力很大。F22还有平尾呢怎么不阻力大？611的机身也是细长的，相当利于超巡。】
gotowork ：细长……总不会和八爷（歼8）一个范儿吧
huzhigeng：哪有那么长，真是的，那是火箭，晕死。】
用户名被屏蔽：和J10一样，四代最难看的部分还是进气道，另外，那个大边条翼也会在第一时间给人三代机遗留的诟病。
huzhigeng：【这种尖拱边条是边条中最新的技术。九十年代后刚出来的而已。在边条中能拉出最强的涡流，对于低速性能好处多多。F－18EF为什么牛，就是因为他的哥特式边条低速性能非常牛(这种边条比苏27的边条强多了)。世界上仅有超级大黄蜂和枭龙用这种边条，枭龙04哥特式边条这方面试验的相当好。所以，成都会在那上面用这种技术，配合大鸭翼，高中低速机动性能天下无敌。大四的进气道确实比较怪，看着有些....】
歼击机07 ：到底是样机还是原型机呀？样机不是应该在发图前吗？如果是明年出原型机，用什么发动机？太行？毛发？
huzhigeng：【明年底出来的原型机不是装WS15首飞的，发动机目前暂定太行。】
虐小欠 ：huzhigeng老大，那咱们是不是有新的与之配套的发动机在设计呢？
huzhigeng：【WS15了，加力推力比F119要大一些，推重比接近十一。】
bmw007 ：感觉尾翼全动是相当冒险啊，如果尾翼故障那不就摔机了，除非写出十分牛的飞控程序通过其他翼面保持飞行状态直到降落。成飞的丝带简直就是美帝X系列的技术综合体，感觉美帝不敢用的全用上了，此机如成功算是NASA的航空技术集大成者。
huzhigeng：【说实话，东北的那个三翼面“雪HU”，飞控其实更复杂，比成都的还要复杂，因为三翼面控制面太多了，所以飞控程序复杂的不得了，全动垂尾技术上成都早就解决，用不用是另外一回事。】
klonoa1121 ：huzhigeng，你认为重四的鸭翼会对隐身有什么影响？CF有对此补救吗
huzhigeng：【鸭翼会对隐身有影响吗?设计的好根本没影响。现在可是二十一世纪，技术都是发展的，要用发展的眼光去看问题。】
另:H大请教一下，你说我们的丝带重超机动，重超巡航，可是我认为对我们来说4S指标中，就超巡航最没必要，我们的指标应该是第一是隐身，第二是超视距，第三是超机动啊，为什么我们要超巡航呢？
huzhigeng：【超巡没必要?多看看二十一世纪空战方面的书吧。超巡相当重要，非常重要。至于YF22和YF23，你说YF23更难看?其实美国佬和很多老外更认为YF23好看，YF22难看。隐身机其实只是对于厘米波雷达有作用，对于别的波段就没那么大作用，这也是为什么大YU警机能在两百千米就能发现隐形战机。】
韬光养晦：成飞的重四基本没有太大悬念了，倒是对沈飞的中四比较困惑。我们的先进中推发动机，应该比先进大推进度更晚吧。难道sf的是单发重推？
huzhigeng：【这次珠海航展上有一个9500KG的矢量发动机，双发中型四代会用这个发动机的改进型。】
huzhigeng：【成都的和沈阳的都是双发的。】
seaharrier ：呵呵，其实没翅膀隐身效果更好，
huzhigeng： 【那当然，沈阳还有无平尾的方案，只有大倾斜小垂尾，隐身性能更好。不过这种机机气动性能有缺陷一些。】
mwnt80 ：没有原创性啊，没意思，人云亦云，总是跟P虫。
bigKprocess ：什么叫原创性？这还不算原创？升力体+鸭以前没人搞过，TG这是第一次；边条+鸭以前没人弄过，TG这还是第一次；可调DSI以前没人搞过，TG这是第一次，这还不算原创？那你那F—22跟米格-25比还不算原创呢。难道得把飞机造成方的才算原创
Huzhigeng：【只能说一句，成都的重四是世界三代和四代各型战斗机技术集大成者，当之无愧。】
暴风 ： HU大，正常来说，七月发图，要多少时间四代机会造出来，明年（2010年）下半年可以看到？？
huzhigeng：【你自己去算算，发完图后原型机多久就可以出来，这不用我说了吧。】
waaadoooo：601的飞机有多快能服役呢？隐身水平、机动性、超巡水平跟611比怎样？
huzhigeng：【也是标准的4S。和611的相比，你说呢？呵呵。】
歼击机07 ：大概最快要多久能看到爬墙党的照片？
huzhigeng： 【差不多两年后就有图出来了吧。132附近的爬墙党两年后要加点油了。】
bigKprocess ：请问HU兄，SF那4代还是3翼面那布局吗？
huzhigeng:【NO！】
廪君蛮：晕了，不是说成飞方案是鸭+大三角翼+v尾，无平尾吗？
huzhigeng：【我说了是成都的吗？我只说沈阳的有无平尾的方案。】
waaadoooo ：不就比f35强了？但中发发动机没有推比过10的吧？那总体该还是比较差才是。601的是自己失败的竞争方案改的，还是跟jzj一样是新93方案？
huzhigeng： 【新93是九十年代中期的方案。现在是什么年代？】
RAF ：如果是这样的话,这些人恐怕都有中国护照了。我记得飞扬有个哥们, 他说他父母是90年代从俄罗斯来中国的, 他爸爸是飞机方面的专家, 现在全家都是中国国籍了，记不得他是在哈尔滨还是在沈阳。
huzhigeng： 【在沈阳，在中国过的生活比在毛子那里好多了，待遇好得不知道多少倍。】
爱我故乡 ：超机动对于现在变态的格斗弹有多少作用
huzhigeng：【当然有用，不要以为格斗弹天下无敌。现实情况是，机重要，弹也重要，两者相互的，有超机动对于躲避导弹攻击很有作用。】
爱我故乡：老大啊!我怎么觉得隐身和信息化是最重要的。
uzhigeng： 【隐身重要，信息化也重要，超级机动也重要，。超巡也重要，其实都重要，不能有短板。】
爱我故乡 ：重型机腹部进气道影响内置弹仓吧
huzhigeng：【四代如果是机腹的图片全部可以扔进垃圾箱，这些图和大十方案比较接近。四代是类似F22的菱形进气道。其实楼主从国外网站发的图和真实的图已经比较接近了，至少有百分之六七十相同。】
爱我故乡：老大,DSI进气道影响超音速性能吗
huzhigeng：【成都在进气道装了一个装置，所以外观看起来有些……这个装置很有用，就是为了DSI的一些缺点而做。】
云涛：比较靠谱，成飞在气动上的摸索是有目共睹的（大边条，鸭翼，DSI）；沈飞在结构上的努力，虽然大家看不到，但据离子鱼老大说还是有些料的。TG的定位是落后美国20多年左右，也是比较合适的。比F22晚20多年首飞，晚20多年服。
huzhigeng：所以，四代在气动强于F22当然正常。如果让老美现在设计一个新战机，当然可以比我们的更好。沈阳在结构方面做得不错，所以重四是东北和成都共同努力的结果。】
南宫儒 ：我可以不可以说世界上所有的四代机都会有50%以上的相同点？
huzhigeng：【能有百分之十就不错了。既使有些战机从外观来看比较接近，性能也会差的相当大。我们的四代和美国有哪点相同？说实话，完全不同。一点也不相同。】
叶小晶：好不容易截住老HU，HU大，好久不见，请教一个问题，你说四代机明年用太行首飞，但是现时太行问题多多，还未成熟，就这样装机可靠性有充分保证吗？风险是否太大了？
huzhigeng：【我说样机明年底出来。出来就首飞？不要进行滑跑等相关试验？首飞肯定还要等到后年。太行有什么风险太大？我认为没什么。两年后的太行至少比现在的太行好用。11BS、舰载机都是装的太行。BS掉下来不是发动机的事。】
Here's a Google translation but it's still confusing to me.
huzhigeng boss broke the news a lot of things are realized , ah, do not see the heavy four- year , and seems he is not bragging ~-
huzhigeng: 【 Chengdu JJ, already half- strength grade of mobility than the F22 , this very well understood that way , trimmings plus sub- YA (YA child than that larger picture above ), lifting body fuselage Moreover, DSI is available Tune , so looks from the front . Inlet some strange , but the machine quite science fiction , to science fiction than the F22 . 】
huzhigeng: 【 The Shenyang that losing three wing snow HU, too big , the whole machine weighs big , long, thin , extremely complex flight control , ultra tour also compare Chengdu , stealth performance is also smaller than Chengdu (double delta wing on the film itself , or some influence ) . Mobility of the two sides is different, Chengdu, and stability of instantaneous disk drive very well, more power motor , so it added a great sidebar , with YA son , both chosen in the galette and the DSI , the Chengdu adjustable DSI, than The galette is not adjustable inlet more advanced ( 601 Experts are now also 611 ) 】
huzhigeng: 【 DSI bag is fixed and can not be fixed , but adjustable inlet , the prototype from the front looks strange , strange . 】
huzhigeng: 【 mountain is belly intake , and four generations, will not belly into the air , mountains of charts and drawings on previously existed in the big 10 are similar. 】
huzhigeng: 【 F22 as the conventional layout of our nineties Gaode out , but the F22 is not only because of strong aerodynamic configuration (F22 aerodynamic layout of only the highest level in eight ninety years ), but the Air Canada flight control layout To strengthen the big engine has a thrust vector , and the powerful electronic technology . If we and F22 same general layout as Gao Ge , we had the engine worse than the others ( of course, a grade of WS15 and F119 , but F119 is only the United States nineties technology) , it is also against a hair ah . Our four generations of the instructions on the performance requirements of demanding , however . Therefore, use complex in Chengdu aerodynamic layout, abnormal aerodynamic configuration . 】
huzhigeng: 【 galette inlet 611 nineties Gaode familiar , do not think that galette is omnipotent , invincible , there are a lot of glitches. 】
huzhigeng: 【 prototype can see the end of next year , and in July had been largely hair finished map, created prototype has opened , 601 of many experts observe the day in 611 , and the Westerner , many experts are also 611 . So a meeting last mobilization of excitement , with reports from various quarters gods . 】
huzhigeng: 【 heavy-duty machine is a nationwide collaboration , the program is 611 , the flight control design is also 611 , 601 and 611 structure design is to design, (because the experience of more 601 twin planes , four- year re- issued map . 601 Also involved here, but the main body structure , or 601 , the Northeast in the body structure , composite material parts . alloy components than the advantage of Chengdu . So the last issue such plans , 601 dead busy , to four generations of their own Made maps, but also help with fat, weighed 611 Figure Fortunately, the task has been completed (so the fish will boast of the Northeast got ion the number of how many people they have four generations of the Northeast , and weighed themselves also partly ) on both sides had to . 】
Feng Lan : Northeast ribbon is not carrier-based aircraft ah ? Is China still engaged in some four generations ? Light and medium ? Heavy ? Ship 's ? ?
huzhigeng: 【 North East recently made a chart is used to the Air Force , Navy, not so fast. 】
Parting Hook : huzhigeng boss , you say nose , forward fuselage and the full-size prototype of the difference after the body close to it? Please enlighten
huzhigeng: 【 611 generally like to use the machine four generations of technology, machine authentication , Jian Shi , dragons ... but this article and prototype JJ 's side differential , four generations are similar to the dragons and the Super Hornet as the sharp edge arch Article , great article yo side , the engine ass is round 360 degrees axisymmetric vector push , not binary . 】
Green Six : 01 are made should be the prototype , right? As far as a fanatic mad * said, full-size metal prototype 're done N years ? !
huzhigeng: 【 full-size metal prototype actually already out , but some people dare to enter the 132 pictures? Get in it? The JJ can not stop you on the grass shot . 01 indeed has made , prototype sci-fi and relatively strange , especially from the front . 】
klonoa1121: click on the irrelevant , huzhigeng you know, J10-21 is what you
huzhigeng: 【 I only know Jian Shi Jian Shi Series B is not the final variant . 】
Parting Hook : ask huzhigeng boss , the chief architect of four generations of machines Who ? Is the Song Cong ? YANG Wei ? Or a new tune to the season Xiaoguang ?
huzhigeng: 【 Viagra , but Song has great credit , he lay under the foundation . Of course , 11 credit for the whole team . 】
cyjsk: Boss Adjustable What is the concept of DSI ? Is it adjustable drum package ? It is really too much science fiction was .
huzhigeng: drum package is certainly not adjustable , but adjustable inlet , so that the maximum speed will go up , kill two birds . 】
Blade 2009 : Under the HUZIGENG Kazakhstan consult with people : your six generations of ( American Standard Five ) What is the concept?
huzhigeng: 【 Americans also argued that time we know that we also demonstrated , but pretty close , are similar , six generations of people and no two points . 】
freedr: huzhigeng much , why the Air Force has two fourth generation , can look with a buttoned high and low , or really as fish said ion may only verify 611 of the machine, or not high-volume assembly models.
huzhigeng: 【 Oh, 611 Demonstrator ? Chengdu weight 4 and F22 , it would not produce too much to rack up 300 . Because it is heavy-duty machine , focusing on fine not more . Unlike the Northeast , is the quantity to quality slightly in the past . I have never heard of heavy equipment is much more than that of the medium-sized machine . F22 F35 equipped with a number of more than ? Ha ha . 】
Blade 2009 : Engine There are many uncertain factors , so how can say too full ?
huzhigeng: 【 flight engine certainly will not use WS15. No country flight will use a new engine . Yankee YF22 no. Moro no. Similarly we will not use . The engine will not slow . 】
jcyjsk: Xie boss explained patiently . You said there Westerner to participate in the ribbon 611 , are not afraid of leaks ah ? Russia this supercilious look wolf on, we have anti- ah .
huzhigeng: 【 is the earlier 611 people have hair . Nineties to please some . 611 gross national experts the main body structure is an expert . They are taking our wages . Ha ha . . . . 】
gotowork: huzhigeng boss to ask about 611 for the re- 4 standard ( such as stealth , super- tour , ultra mobile , ultra -horizon ) and the United States the same? Or with Chinese characteristics ?
huzhigeng: 【 four generations of the standard is stealthy , ultra mobile , ultra tour horizon . Just think , this is the standard . Therefore, our fourth generation will be small? But we focus on the ultra mobile , ultra- Tour (so we are more slender four generations ) . 611 is the fourth generation to take the essence of the United States and wool country , there are unique characteristics of China 's fourth generation machines , there are duck wings , there is a large pointed arch trim , DSI adjustable inlet, it not have these features ? 】
Chaohu by: Pa who looks like school has been said, four generations of a duck wings + V -type tail , all other things and F-22 is almost right . Four generations and the whole line should be presumed about it, the details certainly different from friends . Understand the line can get something similar picture it, anyway, certainly out of four generations of the same place .
huzhigeng: 【 aerodynamic layout already is thousands of miles apart 】
Blade 2009 : do not know the first batch of the overall performance and then compared how the Air Force version of the F35 -like ?
huzhigeng: 【 Chengdu, and F22A an order of magnitude . The F35 is not for this medium-sized ground -based air combat aircraft , do not bring more than , and not a grade on the aircraft . 】
cqx7711: to imagine the Soviet Union had to change a machine ribbon emblem on the ribbon can be said to imagine the map of the TG .
huzhigeng: 【 Mao China is copied four generations of Americans , the conventional layout, birds of prey can be called Gauss . We are a sidebar , canard , stealth, lifting body layout is completely different . 】
Son of Ge : J- fork look positive assured for the world first this time ** even than Russia's gross rare abnormal ....... ah
huzhigeng: 【 can not . And F22A want confrontation , not abnormal not work, hair States, even if the bar, now the fools of . But Ye Hao , silver can fool the Asan . 】
simon30501: wow, Boss have spilled so much material , see my bright red little brother to take . Ask a stealth paint what Yousha stress ? Are useless to the more science fiction like the plasma stealth technology .
huzhigeng: 【 current plasma can only be used for local 】
If over again : the biggest flaw of the two pelvic fins really Ah , What can stealth
Huzhigeng: no pelvic 】 【 prototype
hu14: a material Gangster in the ah , ah , there are still some doubts :
1 , adjustable DSI, I always thought the main advantage of using DSI is weight loss , eliminates the need for structural adjustment . Adjustable really the first time I heard , it is no wonder that science fiction
2 , is not it all moving V- tail , does not seem to mention this
3, Russian type of omni-directional
Huzhigeng: 【 The first , the above has been said , DSI bags are not adjustable , but adjustable inlet . 】
【 second , 611 full-motion V tail technology already mature point of view from the prototype will not move, after all, is not a prototype prototype 】
【 third , ultra- integrated all aspects of patrol is not necessarily that axial symmetry to significant opposition. F22 also Hirao how it does not drag big ? 611 's fuselage is slender , and very conducive to super patrol . 】
gotowork: ... ... will not be so thin and bye ( J- 8) a fan of children it
huzhigeng: How can so long , really , that is the rocket weighs . 】
User blocked : and J10 , as four generations of the most ugly part of the inlet or the other , that the big wing will be the first time people criticized the three generations of machines left .
huzhigeng: 【 pointed arch side of this article is a sidebar in the latest technology. It just out of the nineties . In the side bar to pull out most of the eddy current , low-speed performance for the benefits of lots . F-18EF why the cow , because of his Gothic side of a very low speed performance of cattle article (which trim the edges than the Su- 27 section is much ) . The world's only Super Hornets and Xiaolong article with this side , Xiaolong 04 Gothic trim this test is very good. Therefore , Chengdu will use this technology in that above , with a large duck -wing , high speed mobility invincible . More senior the inlet indeed strange , looking at some .... 】
Fighter 07: in the end is the prototype or prototype it? Prototype is not a plan should be made before it? If it is a prototype next year , what engine ? Taihang ? Hair ?
huzhigeng: 【 end of next year out of the prototype is not installed WS15 first flight , the engine line is tentatively planned for too . 】
Child Little Less : huzhigeng boss , that we are not a new ancillary engine design?
huzhigeng: 【 WS15 , and afterburning thrust than the F119 is bigger , thrust-weight ratio close to 11 . 】
bmw007: feeling the whole tail is a very risky move , ah, if the fault was not to tail crashes , unless written very cattle through other wing flight control procedures to keep it until the flight landed . Cheng Fei of the ribbon is simply the technology of U.S. imperialism X series of complex, feeling all the U.S. imperialists dare not spend , and be successful in this machine as a master of NASA 's aviation technology .
huzhigeng: 【 tell the truth , that the three northeast wing "Snow HU ", flight control is more complex than the more complex in Chengdu , because too many three- wing control surfaces , so extremely complex flight control procedures , all Chengdu has long been fixed vertical tail technical solution , with not is another matter. 】
klonoa1121: huzhigeng, do you think will re- IV canard what effect stealth ? CF you have this remedy
huzhigeng: 【 duck wing stealth will affect it? not affect the fundamental design of the good . But now the twenty-first century, the technologies are developed, use development perspective. 】
Another : H big ask , have you that our ultra- mobile ribbon heavy , heavy super- cruise , but I think for us, 4S indicators, most do not need to super- cruise , our target should be the first stealth, the first Second, over the horizon , the third is the ultra- mobile ah , why do we have to super- cruise ?
huzhigeng: 【 Super Tour is no need ? see more of the twenty-first century, books about aspects of air combat . Super Tour is very important , very important. The YF22 and YF23, YF23 more ugly you say ? In fact, many Americans and foreigners more attractive that the YF23 , YF22 ugly . Stealth aircraft is only useful for the cm wave radar , for the other band not so big , and this is why large YU police functions can be found in the 200 km stealth fighter . 】
Keeping a Low Profile : Cheng Fei 's weight is not much suspense of the four basic , it touches on the Shenyang Four more confused . Our advanced in pushing the engine , should be less than advanced degree later it big push . Is sf is the single re-launch ?
huzhigeng: 【 The Zhuhai Air Show, has a 9500KG vector engine, medium-sized fourth-generation twin- engine will be improved with this . 】
huzhigeng: 【 Chengdu and Shenyang are dual issued . 】
seaharrier: Oh, actually no better stealth wings ,
huzhigeng: 【 That , of course, Shenyang, there are no horizontal tail of the program , only the large tilt of small vertical tail , stealth better performance . However, the aerodynamic performance of this machine defective machine number . 】
mwnt80: no originality , ah, boring , others, and always with P insects .
bigKprocess: What is originality ? It 's not original ? Lifting Body + duck no one had been engaged , TG this is the first time ; trim + duck ago no one get off , TG is the first time ; adjustable DSI no one had been engaged , TG this is the first time , this is not Original count ? You that F-22 MiG -25 compared with the original it 's not . Does the aircraft have to be considered original cause side
Huzhigeng: 【 can only say , Chengdu, weighed three generations and four generations of the world, all types of fighter aircraft technology synthesizer , well-deserved . 】
Storm : HU large, normal , the July issue such plans , how much time the fourth generation the opportunity to build out next year ( 2010) in the second half to see ? ?
huzhigeng: 【 your own to figure out , how long hair complete map can be out after the prototype , which I do not say it . 】
waaadoooo: 601 how quickly the aircraft can service it ? Stealth level , mobility, level with the 611 Super tour than what?
huzhigeng: 【 is standard 4S. And 611 compared to , you say? Ha ha . 】
Fighter 07: How soon can probably see pictures of the party climbed the wall ?
huzhigeng: 【 almost two years have come out of the bar graph . Climbing around 132 two years after the party to add some gas. 】
bigKprocess: Will HU brother , SF that 4 generations or three wing layout that you ?
huzhigeng: 【 NO! 】
Lin Jun Man : halo , is not to say the program is a duck flying delta + v + big tail, no horizontal tail it?
huzhigeng: 【 I said in Chengdu it? I only said that the presence or absence of Shenyang Hirao program . 】
waaadoooo: not stronger than the f35 it? But the hair did not push the engine 10 than in the past , right? That is the whole of the still relatively poor . 601, they have failed to change the competitive program , or with jzj 93 as the new program ?
huzhigeng: 【 93 is a new program of the mid- nineties . What 's now ? 】
RAF: If this is the case , these people probably have a Chinese passport. I remember flying with a buddy, he said, is 90 years his parents came from Russia to China , his father is an expert on aircraft , and now the family is of Chinese nationality , and not remember he is still in Shenyang, Harbin .
huzhigeng: 【 in Shenyang , in China over the life of a lot better there than in the Westerner , not know how many times the good pay . 】
Love my hometown : super motor for the abnormal current role in fighting the number of shells
huzhigeng: 【 Yes, of course , do not think that fighting bombs invincible . The reality is , machine key , spring is also important, both with each other , there are ultra- mobile to avoid missile attack is very effect . 】
Love my hometown : boss ah ! how I feel invisible , and information is the most important.
uzhigeng: 【 hidden important information is also important , super- mobile is also important . Super Tour is also important , in fact are important, not a short board . 】
Love my hometown : Heavy Machine built magazine it affect the abdominal inlet
huzhigeng: 【 four generations, is the belly of the picture if all can be thrown into the trash , these plans and programs closer to big 10 . F22 is similar to the fourth generation diamond inlet . Landlord actually made from abroad site plan and the plan has been close to true , at least sixty to seventy per cent of the same . 】
Love my hometown : Boss , DSI supersonic inlet performance affect you
huzhigeng: 【 Chengdu, a device installed in the inlet , so the appearance of some ... ... the device looks very useful , is to DSI to do some shortcomings . 】
Yuntao : comparison tricky, as flying in the air on the exploration is for all to see ( the big article , duck wings , DSI); Shen Fei 's efforts in the structure , although we can not see , but the boss said , according to the fish or some ion Materials . TG 's positioning is about 20 years behind the United States , is more appropriate . 20 years later than the F22 flight , serving more than 20 years later .
huzhigeng: So, four generations strong in the air in the normal course F22 . If Americans are to design a new fighter , of course, better than we can . Shenyang has done well in the structure , it weighed the northeast and Chengdu joint effort . 】
Nangong Confucianism : I can not say that all the world's fourth-generation machine will have more than 50% of the same point?
huzhigeng: 【 will have 10% that's pretty good . Even if some planes close to the exterior of view , performance will be quite poor . Our four generations and the United States, which is the same ? To be honest, completely different. Is not the same . 】
Ye Xiaojing : finally stopped the old HU, HU large , long-lost , ask a question , you said the fourth generation machine next year with a line of flight too , but the present line of a lot of problems too , not yet mature , and thus the reliability of a fully installed to ensure it? Whether the risk too great ?
huzhigeng: 【 prototype of next year out of me . Out on the first flight ? Not to roll and other related tests ? Certainly have to wait until the year after first flight . What are the risks too great line ? I think nothing . At least two years after the Taihang Taihang useful than the present . 11BS, carrier aircraft are installed Taihang . BS engines do not fall . 】
