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EmoBirb

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According to Trump, Russia and China are 25 years behind the US when it comes to submarine tech. In 5 years time, Russia and China will be equal:

While not entirely wrong, although certainly giving that statement a certain twist (as one should expect from a politician). It's certainly worth noting that while the PLAN is rapidly shrinking the gap with their most recent developments, the Russian submarines like the Yasen-M or Borei-A are not far from their respective US counterparts (more recent Virginia blocks and the Ohio SSBNs), one may even argue that due to their comparative age and the iterative improvements implemented with the Borei-As, that they could very well be the superior SSBN and remain such until new designs like the chinese 096, american Columbia or british Dreadnought hit the water in the coming decade.

In short, one shouldn't underestimate the pace of Chinese developments and the quality of Russian submarines. One is carried by massive investments into naval developments by a highly motivated emerging super power with the necessary R&D and funds to go alongside with it. While the other has been the boogeyman for the US Navy since the mid to late cold war and leans on the developments and solutions thought out and trialed at the height of the biggest arms race in history.
 

tphuang

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As usual, Trump underestimated China's technology and innovation in submarine designs.
Even if Trump thinks China has caught up, he will still say the same thing. The man embellishes everything.

Yep.

It's more that SSN quietening efforts over the last 25 years hasn't gotten that much better in the same way that everything else has (sensors, weapons, automation, networking); so if contemporary current PLAN SSNs like 09IIIA and 09IIIB are similar to USN SSNs of the period (Seawolf class and early Virginia), indeed he technically isn't entirely wrong, albeit I doubt he said it with that intent or knowledge (which is to say, he doesn't say too much with much intent or knowledge to begin with, let alone the sensitive topic of submarines).
If 093B is actually at Sealwolf class level of stealth, I will be very impressed. Although, I do think 095 can reach that.
While not entirely wrong, although certainly giving that statement a certain twist (as one should expect from a politician). It's certainly worth noting that while the PLAN is rapidly shrinking the gap with their most recent developments, the Russian submarines like the Yasen-M or Borei-A are not far from their respective US counterparts (more recent Virginia blocks and the Ohio SSBNs), one may even argue that due to their comparative age and the iterative improvements implemented with the Borei-As, that they could very well be the superior SSBN and remain such until new designs like the chinese 096, american Columbia or british Dreadnought hit the water in the coming decade.
keep in mind that Yasen-M is a much larger sub than Virginia class and 093B. 093B's inner hull is narrower than Virginia class. So for 093B to be as quiet as the earlier Virginia class, it's sig management and machineries will actually have to be noticeably more advanced. Which you know, is entirely plausible by now.

The interesting thing is that from 093A to 093B, they clear did a major redesign to maximize what's left of that hull. They managed to somehow fit in 24 cell VLS, which is quite significant. So, what were they able to shrink to accommodate that? This is something I've been wondering about.

I've been wondering if they did manage to move to nuclear electric propulsion which is simpler in many ways than your conventional nuclear mechanical propulsion which would've shrunk the size of requirement at the back for reactor area and machine room. replacing the long propulsion shaft and complicated transmission and reduction gear with just battery & electric Motor+drive would save quite a bit of space. You can place the electric motor further back to just turn the propeller. IDK.
 

EmoBirb

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keep in mind that Yasen-M is a much larger sub than Virginia class and 093B. 093B's inner hull is narrower than Virginia class. So for 093B to be as quiet as the earlier Virginia class, it's sig management and machineries will actually have to be noticeably more advanced. Which you know, is entirely plausible by now.
Which is emphasizing the point I also made, that Chinese designers are going to great lengths to maximize the effectiveness of existing designs and also do the research to inform future, superior, designs. What I said is that one shouldn't dismiss the capability of Russian submarines (as you pointed out the Yasen for example is simply outright larger and has more real estate for signature reducing measures) while the 093B benefits from the tireless efforts of Chinese engineers and the sizeable funding available to them to maximize the capabilities of an existing design to a level where it is still viable today.

Russian submarines have been known to be serious adversaries by the US Navy. Chinese submarines are well on their merry way to reach the same status, although often being given less spotlight than the PLAN surface combatants, missiles and aircraft.
 

by78

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An impressive lineup of amphibious assault assets.

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