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India Says No To Russia’s Su-57 Jets, S-500 Air Defense System​


A symbolic chapter in India’s long-standing defense ties with Russia appears to be drawing to a close. On July 1, 2025, the Indian Navy officially commissioned INS Tamal – its last warship built in a Russian shipyard. A silent milestone. A quiet full stop on decades of Moscow-built steel flowing into Indian waters.

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India's premier defence research institute, DRDO, is looking to upgrade its intercontinental ballistic missile, Agni-5, to join the elite club of the United States and China. The reconfigured Agni-5 will be capable of penetrating 100 meters underground with its 7500 kg conventional warhead. This comes against the background of the GBU-57 bunker busters being used in the June 22 strike on the Iranian nuclear facilities in Fordow and Natanz, however, instead of opting for the United States’ GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) and China’s DF-15B missile India is looking to upgrade its indegeniously developed Agni-5.
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With a modified version of the Agni-V ballistic missile, India is now developing what many analysts are calling its answer to the U.S. GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator.
 

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The problem with the Tejas is that it's supposed to be an inexpensive Mig-21 replacement but India has no real use for planes like the Mig-21 anymore. Short legs, low payload, weak radar, and poor BVR capabilities makes it a plane suited for countries that don't actually need fighters, but it'll get slaughtered by anything that carries a PL-12 or better. And so India ended with a plane that they can't build, that can't perform the missions that India wants to perform, and can't be killed because of politics.
That's not the case. Indian geography is more or less the same, and there's still obvious need for short range interceptor/light bomber for border sectors. Distances there are quite packed, it played in all 3 recent clashes there.

With proper radar(elta-2052 fits that) this fighter class can fully serve the needs of modern BVR combat.

Tejas, by concept, is a nice aircraft. It's just too nice, too ambitious for India.
Which by itself is a sign of inexperience.
 

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That's not the case. Indian geography is more or less the same, and there's still obvious need for short range interceptor/light bomber for border sectors. Distances there are quite packed, it played in all 3 recent clashes there.

With proper radar(elta-2052 fits that) this fighter class can fully serve the needs of modern BVR combat.

Tejas, by concept, is a nice aircraft. It's just too nice, too ambitious for India.
Which by itself is a sign of inexperience.

Compared to the JF-17, it is unlikely to be all that nice at all.

No Tejas in service has anything to match the PL-15E and CM-400 family. It is basically a MiG-21 right now with Russian A2A missiles. But probably worse than the MiG-21 which got into action in 2019. They kept the Tejas as far away from action as possible in May which speaks volumes.
 

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Compared to the JF-17, it is unlikely to be all that nice at all.

No Tejas in service has anything to match the PL-15E and CM-400 family. It is basically a MiG-21 right now with Russian A2A missiles. But probably worse than the MiG-21 which got into action in 2019. They kept the Tejas as far away from action as possible in May which speaks volumes.
Tejas is only nominally in service in the first place.

But either way, it's either mk.1 (elta 2032 and i-derby ER) or soon to come mk.1a (elta-2052 and same missile). First is adapted Lavi radar(planar array), second is it's AESA version.
Comparison of either to mig-21 radars is laughable, nothing close was ever proposed for the fishbed.

I-derby is already a small PL-15 in the first place (it's a dual pulse weapon, just much smaller; one of 3 such weapons in combat service by the way, together with...PL-15 and AIM-120D). Since it was bought as an emergency procurement after 2019, one would guess it flies further than the old RVV-AE.
Astra will probably come on one bright day, eventually, too.

I don't know what's the state of a2g integration with Tejas, but given that "make in India" tends to mean "Israeli" - it's either rampage (already in Indian service, on mig-29upg and mig-29k) or Lora(soon to come). Both were shown in combat recently, with a stellar - better than CM400 two months ago, - performance record (especially in unilaterally killed civilians, but for both developer and customer in our case it's a viable use scenario).

JF-17 is a mature program, plain and square. But it's mature, not the least, because Chengdu didn't aim for the stars and rather ambitious aerodynamic shape back in 1990s, instead going for classic controls and conservative shape. Now, with blk.iii, it's a different story. Tejas aimed there from day 1, and it's part of the reason it took so long.
 
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