2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

Paradigm

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NYT: China is unlikely and difficult to intervene militarily in this conflict if US intervenes, which indicates its influence is limited in the Middle East. Outsiders will raise questions about the cohesiveness of the Axis of Upheaval. :eek::rolleyes:



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China just has to do nothing and wait till missiles from Israel and US deplete. Israel is said to be two weeks away from that. US? Depends. Does it want a war with China or not? Either it does or doesn't, the elephant in the room are rare earths.
 

AlexYe

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NYT: China is unlikely and difficult to intervene militarily in this conflict if US intervenes, which indicates its influence is limited in the Middle East. Outsiders will raise questions about the cohesiveness of the Axis of Upheaval. :eek::rolleyes:



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What on earth, is this NYT: subtle way of saying 'attack Iran because of China' ??? what..
 

lcloo

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Without reliable supply of rare earth, can US keep on mass producing smart munition and missiles to supply to Israel, or to replenish their own inventory which are being depleted by shipments to Israel?

Not a bright prospect for Israel if the war keep dragging on long term.
 

Anlsvrthng

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I'm not expert on weapons, so this is just a layman consulting youtube for knowledge and this guy says penetrating Fordow, in short, will require at the very least 1/3rd of America's bunker buster arsenal, which they may not be willing to expend.

Anyone whgom think that a 20 storey big airplane can enter a airspace protected by high mobiliilty high altitude SAM systems without at least double digit loss needs a brand new bridge parking not far away from his house, for very low price.


B-2 is a STRATEGIC BOMBER, means its deisnged job is to provide counterstrike capability in the even of full out nuclear war.
It was designed because B52 against S300 has single digit chance of survival to do the strike ( be clear , it is the chance for single way success), so they had to increase this chance to 50-70% for credible deterent.

It means in pracical terms a B-2 sortie against a single target deep in Iran has in best case 50% chance of SURVIVAL. This percentage include the case when the plane turn back.


Whole Iran looks like a large hide and seek wetdream for BUK units, doesn't matter the flight path, there is allwazs a chance to see a BUK radar pop up underneath the airplane.

Again , design target of B2 is like " if we send 20 of them then with sum of 320 nuclear bomb then at least 160 bomb will be delivered "
 

Overbom

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ADS-B exchange data indicates: Suspected B-2 bomber formation continues trans-Pacific flight westward.
KC-46 tankers HIFI81-82 from Travis AFB, California are providing support to suspected B-2 bomber formation MYTEE21;
KC-46 tankers HIFI83-84 are supporting suspected B-2 bomber formation MYTEE11.

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Backing to Diego Garcia?

There was an immediate refueling, which imo indicates they are fully loaded (imo with MOPs) and had to take off with not full fuel load

Could be nothing, could be signalling, could be a strike mission
 

iewgnem

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Israel is certainly watching Fordow like a hawk with all of its surveillance capability. Any current organized attempts to reinforce/resupply Fordow would mostly likely get bombed. So whatever Iran has stationed inside the facility is all they can muster against possible commando raids. Hopefully, Iran has positioned a large enough force inside and enough supplies to sustain them.
It takes 2 hours to fly there before refuelling time, and you're at most bombing single trucks, it doesn't take many trucks per week to supply a garrison when not in combat.

They'll try infiltration with spies and saboteurs, that's their usual MO and because any actual ground troops will just get killed by FPV in the open long before they reach the facility.

Also the whole idea of Fordow is a manufactured issue, Fordow isn't Iran's only fortified underground facility and they're not going to store anything important at a place everyone's focused on. Fordow is played up in western media because they want to use it as an off ramp and as a way to normalize the idea of Iranian nukes, if Iran's actually building a nuke they're not doing it at a place with a big "nuke construction facility" sign outside.
 

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