The War in the Ukraine

[Tomboy]

IMO, I'm wondering how dangerous laser-based drone defense are going to be as very powerful beams of laser could blind or serious visual impairment to someone even if they aren't being directly illuminated by the laser(eg. class IV lasers could cause permanent damage from indirect viewing of the laser beam and class IV's lower limit is a measly 500mW now compared to these drone defense laser that could output up to a few dozen kW continuously). I don't think deploying these in densely populated areas would be a good idea especially if airfields and some military installations are located very near population centers.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Russia can't stop this. It's not like SBU operatives are carrying signs that say "I'm Ukrainian". Neither is this Gattaca with DNA readers at every checkpoint. The people who organised this likely look and sound exactly like native Russians. Trying to monitor the movements of every Russian is a fool's errand. Far better would be to establish exclusion zones aroune military targets, install anti-drone weaponry, and build hardened structures.

Can you tell the difference between a Tutsi and a Hutu? They share the same genetic markers like Y chromosome distributions and speak the same language. Yet we all know what happened in Rwanda.

Can you tell the difference between a German Jew and a German? They are both whites who speak German with no accent. How did Hitler figure it out? Records and names.

There's Ukrainian specific names and genetic records dating from Soviet times.

 

[Randomuser]

Can you tell the difference between a Tutsi and a Hutu? They share the same genetic markers like Y chromosome distributions and speak the same language. Yet we all know what happened in Rwanda.

Can you tell the difference between a German Jew and a German? They are both whites who speak German with no accent. How did Hitler figure it out? Records and names.

There's Ukrainian specific names and genetic records dating from Soviet times.

There's always gonna be some social cue or something that gives you away that you are not native. Its just finding the ones near sensitive areas.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

There's always gonna be some social cue or something that gives you away that you are not native. Its just finding the ones near sensitive areas.

I'm not saying that it is likely to happen, just that historically, this sort of thing could lead to extreme xenophobia resulting in such tragedies happening.

 

[KFX]

One lesson is that airfields should have some buffer zone away from civilian activities like highways, if there is at least few hundred meters of buffer zone then you have enough time for surveillance system to spot and engage intruding drones. This is a problem for China where a lot of airfields are way too close to civilian activities.

But then airfields are not the only high value targets for this kind of attacks, there seems to be no good general solutions

Perhaps ban vodka near Russian bases as well: attack took place on Sunday afternoon when the Russians were likely at max-hangover. Very well timed.

 

[tankphobia]

Perhaps ban vodka near Russian bases as well: attack took place on Sunday afternoon when the Russians were likely at max-hangover. Very well timed.

I think asking Russians to stop drinking is probably more challenging than winning in Ukraine.

 

[enroger]

Perhaps ban vodka near Russian bases as well: attack took place on Sunday afternoon when the Russians were likely at max-hangover. Very well timed.

Jokes on Russian incompetence aside, you got to admit this is a pretty clever operation and if the same thing were done to US or China I'm afraid the result may not differ that much.

Though in China's case at least we have way more robust border control and way less corruption, it should be extremely difficult to smuggle explosives arround

 

[enroger]

IMO, I'm wondering how dangerous laser-based drone defense are going to be as very powerful beams of laser could blind or serious visual impairment to someone even if they aren't being directly illuminated by the laser(eg. class IV lasers could cause permanent damage from indirect viewing of the laser beam and class IV's lower limit is a measly 500mW now compared to these drone defense laser that could output up to a few dozen kW continuously). I don't think deploying these in densely populated areas would be a good idea especially if airfields and some military installations are located very near population centers.

Imo distance is the main factor here, laser light scatter off has power density decay according to inverse square law, citizens a couple hundred meters away should be safe

 

[Tomboy]

Imo distance is the main factor here, laser light scatter off has power density decay according to inverse square law, citizens a couple hundred meters away should be safe

What about personnel in the base tho, they're alot closer to the lasers itself. IMO I think if laser defense were to be standard at bases then they'd probably have all personnel wearing eye protection at all times as a mandatory requirement.

 

[enroger]

What about personnel in the base tho, they're alot closer to the lasers itself. IMO I think if laser defense were to be standard at bases then they'd probably have all personnel wearing eye protection at all times as a mandatory requirement.

Or just keep eye protection on them and wear them when they hear sirens, should be pretty doable. Maybe add some training to tell them to close their eyes or stare at the ground