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ansy1968

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Africablack said:
The Americans don't want a decentralized world because they'll be one of many great powers in it and they won't get to boss others like they used to. However some realists are seeing the writing on the wall and they realize unipolarism is just not sustainable, even Trump and his delusions is starting to see this. So what some of them want is to split the world in two and let both China and the US have their spheres of influence, this allows them to consolidate power, forge stronger military and economic alliances and then go at China at a later time. In short, they want to run the old Cold War playbook because they figured since we won that one we can win another one fighting the same way. They'll present this enticing offer to China because they think the Asian thinks like the European who is constantly looking for subjects to dominate.

I'm not Chinese and I'm not a member of the CPC but from what I can see I don't believe the Chinese leadership wants a bipolar world, it doesn't serve China's long term interests. I believe they want to decentralize the world and dilute the US and the west's power within it. You can still be influential but the days of one country or a small group of countries that will sit down and decide what others should do, what forms of government to practice, what economic model to adopt, etc should come to an end. The world should be multilateral, where sovereign countries deal with each by other conducting mutually beneficial deals and nations can be members of different groups with overlapping interests. I think the Chinese leadership has learned lessons from the Cold War and is adamant not the repeat the same mistakes the Soviet Union made.
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It's not Trump BUT Obama who recognized the rise of China and offered the Chinese the concept of G2 or CHIMERICA which the Chinese refused, the reason? There's a Chinese proverbs "Keep the general goal in sight while tackling daily task" that is the general principle and philosophy of the CPC, MAKE THE CHINESE GREAT AGAIN. Respect is earn not given and for the Chinese it usually come from wisdom and hard work NOT AT THE BARREL OF THE GUN.
 
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Ringsword

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MortyandRick said:
Let's be realistic
NATO is mainly the US.
Take away US and US military equipment, and NATO won't be able to do Jack shit. Without the US, they wouldn't even be able to push back the Russians!

The US is already in asia, moving NATO to Asia won't add much, if anything at all.

China's goal is to defeat the US in the Asia Pacific. Once the US is defeated, NATO can't do anything except virtue signal and economic sanctions. They will do economic sanctions even if NATO isn't in Asia.

That's just the reality. How many ships can France or England bring to Asia during a war, when supply ports are be attacked? Can they attack China by land?

Macron is trying to sound tough to domestic audience. France is not an empire anymore.
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Well Macron had better think it over three times before he gets "slapped" again (like by wife/father/whatever perversion ) by NOW China if he and UK ,Germany thinks about landing troops and fapping to 1865 Sacking of the Chinese Imperial Summer Palace again-this time Palace of Versaille might get sacked-pisses me off to no end about their EU racism and threats-for me China can never be too strong to ward off/fight/destroy these trash barbarians. :mad: :mad: :mad:BTW another "Smile from Heaven"-a massive copper find in Xizang Tibetan Plateau of at least 20 million tons of high grade copper-yeah!!!!
 
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plawolf

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siegecrossbow said:
That’s a very Dien Bien Foolish thing to say.
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Chinese response: sure, we will do that just as soon as NATO withdraws American troops from East Asia.

If European members of NATO want to insert their military forces into East Asia, maybe redo your maths to see if you will even have enough military forces to protect Western Europe from the Russians and North Koreans if China no longer shows restraint in not supplying Russia with lethal military aid.
 
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tamsen_ikard

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GulfLander said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1928751497476518236
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500%?
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1928743950308798938

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1928729858277826978
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1928726653544575288
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The fact that top Chinese leaders children still try to study and live in the west is a terrible example for China. It shows the western worshipping nature of the Chinese even among the top leadership. China cannot become a true self-respecting nation unless they stop western and white worship
 
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MortyandRick

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tamsen_ikard said:
The fact that top Chinese leaders children still try to study and live in the west is a terrible example for China. It shows the western worshipping nature of the Chinese even among the top leadership. China cannot become a true self-respecting nation unless they stop western and white worship
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But that's not a fact. Thats not true. Top leaders' children are in china. It was true 20 years ago, but started dwindling in 2017. Very unlikely now.
 
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