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siegecrossbow

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The only way i see orbital kinetic weapon being worthwhile is being used as global missile defense system akin to Golden dome/star wars, where satellite launches kinetic kill weapon at BM being launched, where the trajectory still rather predictable.

News flash, it takes energy to deorbit projectiles. It isn’t as easy as “dropping sticks”. You’d need some propellant to do that, which makes it a rocket and makes you wonder why not just fire it from the ground and add a useful warhead on it. Congratulations, you reinvented the ballistic missile.
 

by78

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China has merged the Army Logistics College and Army Transport College to form the new Joint Logistics Support Force Engineering University. The main campus and headquarters will be located in Chongqing, with satellite campuses in Tianjin and Benghu (Anhui). The university will service the entire military and all of its branches by training personnel in all areas of logistics.

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gk1713

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China has merged the Army Logistics College and Army Transport College to form the new Joint Logistics Support Force Engineering University. The main campus and headquarters will be located in Chongqing, with satellite campuses in Tianjin and Benghu (Anhui). The university will service the entire military and all of its branches by training personnel in all areas of logistics.

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Should be Bengbu(Anhui), my father entered that college there 40 years ago.
The whole college was focused on logistic via trucks and related maintaining and management.
My father told me that on the day of graduate, all students formed a fleet of traucks and traveled through half of China. When they passed by each military base on the route, some of the them were left there to serve.
My father was among the last remaining group who went all the way include inner Mongolia, Xinjiang, Xizang and finally stopped at Shenzhen, which just started to develop.
 
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montyp165

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News flash, it takes energy to deorbit projectiles. It isn’t as easy as “dropping sticks”. You’d need some propellant to do that, which makes it a rocket and makes you wonder why not just fire it from the ground and add a useful warhead on it. Congratulations, you reinvented the ballistic missile.
A variation of Brilliant Pebbles using orbital debris as ammunition is a viable option for MIRV defense (especially given the prevalence of such materiel), but the best option would be a dual purpose scalable orbital solar laser array system, since that can strike both boost phase missiles and perform orbital bombardment of planetary surface targets.
 

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Xi signs order to promulgate rules on developing military facilities​

Source: Xinhua
Editor: huaxia
2025-06-05 20:14:30

BEIJING, June 5 (Xinhua) -- Xi Jinping, chairman of the Central Military Commission, has signed an order to promulgate regulations on developing military facilities.

The regulations, which will take effect on Aug. 1, focus on enhancing combat readiness and aim to adapt to the new command system and support mechanisms.

The regulations also standardize the fundamental principles, management frameworks, operational procedures, and institutional requirements for military facility development.

The regulations comprise 11 chapters and 63 articles.

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“The Regulations, comprising 11 chapters and 63 articles, are formulated based on the overarching principle that the Central Military Commission exercises overall leadership, the theater commands focus on combat operations, and the military services concentrate on development. Centered on streamlining the chains of construction, management, and oversight, the Regulations clarify authorities, optimize processes and mechanisms, and solidify practical achievements in key areas such as planning and management of military facility construction, project approval, contracting out projects, survey and design, construction management, emergency construction, security and confidentiality, as well as oversight and accountability. This provides robust legal safeguards for enhancing the quality, efficiency, and support capabilities of military facility construction."
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gelgoog

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A variation of Brilliant Pebbles using orbital debris as ammunition is a viable option for MIRV defense (especially given the prevalence of such materiel), but the best option would be a dual purpose scalable orbital solar laser array system, since that can strike both boost phase missiles and perform orbital bombardment of planetary surface targets.
Lasers have really low efficiency and require a lot of cooling. And if you want to strike something inside the atmosphere a lot of power will dissipate in it.
Lasers are more suitable for destroying satellites in space. See the Soviet Polyus for example.
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jnd85

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4,650M/s is equal to 16,740KM/hr. Non-explosive tungsten projectile. Is that coil gun?

Key words. How do you translate them?
超高速动能弹对地打击 = hypersonic kinetic projectile ground strike?
抛物型弹坑 = Ballistic style shell hole?
I would use these ways:
hypervelocity kinetic projectile ground strike
parabolic crater

In the first term it is even debatable whether you need projectile, since kinetic implies it. In the second, the 抛物型 refers to the parabolic shape of the crater itself, like a parabolic satellite dish.
Depth of 3m sounds shallow for that speed. Engineers?
3 meters deep, 9 wide, calculating for volume of an ellipsoid, I get between 190 and 250 cubic meters of soil displaced, which is quite a lot of mass.

Still, 140 kilos... that is a lot of kilos. 16740 kilometers per hour, I guess it might have been launched explosively from a device at low earth orbit, pure speculation. Also pure speculation, I think if that were to hit something like a floating object, that object might sink.

Of course, to cause damage is one thing, but to hit a target is another.

Further, it may just be a computer simulation.
 

jnd85

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I would use these ways:
hypervelocity kinetic projectile ground strike
parabolic crater

In the first term it is even debatable whether you need projectile, since kinetic implies it. In the second, the 抛物型 refers to the parabolic shape of the crater itself, like a parabolic satellite dish.

3 meters deep, 9 wide, calculating for volume of an ellipsoid, I get between 190 and 250 cubic meters of soil displaced, which is quite a lot of mass.

Still, 140 kilos... that is a lot of kilos. 16740 kilometers per hour, I guess it might have been launched explosively from a device at low earth orbit, pure speculation. Also pure speculation, I think if that were to hit something like a floating object, that object might sink.

Of course, to cause damage is one thing, but to hit a target is another.

Further, it may just be a computer simulation.
Just a correction, I forgot to half the second estimate, it should be ~125 cubic meters of displaced soil, not 250. The 190 estimate is just off, I think the first formula I used was for a different shape (more of an oval-like cylinder).

Anyway, looking at 125 cubic meters of Gobi desert soil, it is important to remember that the terrain is actually quite diverse in terms of water, rock, and clay content, so not at all uniform. The paper extract didn't say where in the Gobi the test was conducted, and there was no accompanying imagery to guess from. However we can still look at the high and low ranges for the mass of one cubic meter of soil generally, which ranges from between approximately 940 kilos to about 1275. That gives us anywhere from 117500 kg (i.e. 125*940) to 159375 kg (i.e. 125*1275). In other words, a 140 kilo projectile managed to displace from 117500 to 159375 kilos of soil.

Looking at the energy of the projectile itself, we want to solve for K, kinetic energy (measured in joules), where K = 1/2 * mass * velocity squared. So K = 1/2 * 140 kg * 4650 m/s squared, so 1513575000J, or just over 361753 kilocalories.

So assuming the average steamed pork bun has 200 kcal, if you were to eat the resulting impact energy, you would have to eat 1809 steamed buns (361753/200), and that is a lot of buns!
 
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