The Kashmir conflict 2025.

Faisal Iqbal

Banned Idiot
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During Trumps visit to Saudi Arabia, there were backroom meeting of Pakistani delegation and Marco Rubio/ state department officials, there few clear directives for Pakistani to follow.

* Close out the CPEC (Belt and Road Initiative) programs with China.
* Get out of Strategic parnetship with Chinese.
* When Saudi Arabia recognizes Isreal, Pakistani's should follow the Saudi's footsteps in recognizing Isreal.
* Distance yourself from the Iranians, as inevitably American will start the war with Iran, Pakistan should be willing to provide the shoulder and become the stepping stone, from which the attack on Iran could be launched.

There was no kissing the Trumps hand and granting of wishes for Pakistan (like Ahmed al-Sharaa) we have to agree to these aforementioned terms, bend our back, position ourselfes for hard ramming in our behind, then need to do so much more, more, more like unfortunate one,


If we agree to all of it then Bob will be our uncle (once again)
 

Randomuser

Senior Member
Registered Member
I wonder how much stuff is gonna get exposed as time passes. First the rafales and then the s400s. Other countries are also getting embarrassed.
 

Mt1701d

Junior Member
Registered Member

Indians could actually make realistic somewhat plausible and believable claims like one aircraft lost to missile strike but no they have to make ridiculous claims. Shot down 10 F16's, 2 JF'17s, Mirage 3 etc.
I don’t think the Indians understands information and propaganda warfare anymore. The point is to weave truths and lies together and not just make the most ridiculous claims and expect people to automatically believe it.

It’s also like they are now following some BS spiritual self-help book where in order to manifest your reality you have to will it into existence. As if, the entire population of India believes their BS, the said planes will spontaneously combusted or something. Tho we are talking about the BJP, so spiritual BS maybe not so unbelievable.
 

tokenanalyst

Brigadier
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Lessons for Taiwan from Kashmir conflict

* Taiwan should take the heart as Chinese are not going to use the J-10CE and PL-15E in Taiwan conflict, most probably air power will be spearheaded by J-16 and PL-17 and some sort of combination of J-20 with some hidden missiles, battleships, naval cruisers, aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, nuclear ballistic missile submarines, LHD's, landing docks Etc, Etc, Etc, all of which are absolutely not tested in any battle.
* Western defence systems are still the best, you can take the Sana's word to the bank.
* In case you have any doubt regarding the western air defence systems, then you should consider the Akash air defence system which is the best, I mean both the Maverick and Rooster were brought down by it, just go and rewatch the footage.
* International community and Western countries that are most concerned about the Taiwan, they have to include India in their plans, I mean look how much including India in Russia-Ukraine conflict helped both of them, India have become one of the largest exporter of Oil and Gas to west, just imagine the silicone Wafers India will help export to world, India becoming one of the largest exporter will surely help both the Taiwan and West (Scout's promiss)
* Last but not the least as per Manoj, Chinese don't use what they export, and they export what they don't use, so we don't know whether their equipment is any useful as they are not battle proven (at this point @ 22:15 to 22:50 Manoj simply trips up on his own fable that he was trying to weave so masterfully), you have given too much rope to Manoj (who is Associate professor in Jindal School of International Affairs), he is far too smart so he is not going to hang himself with this extra rope, surely Taiwan knows what it need to do, that they have the support of International community and Nancy (she loves it to death) so its time for it to plunge head-first and declare the Independence and look for the fireworks across the Taiwan strait (like Taiwan Talks logo from T - W yet it goes on wrong direction)

On brighter side look how India will get prosperous by selling all the silicone to whole of the world.
I' sorry man, but when you write silicone in my mind I just think about this.
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"getting prosperous selling implants"

I think you mean Silicon or Silicon Wafers or Semiconductors.

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siegecrossbow

General
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Super Moderator
I don’t think the Indians understands information and propaganda warfare anymore. The point is to weave truths and lies together and not just make the most ridiculous claims and expect people to automatically believe it.

It’s also like they are now following some BS spiritual self-help book where in order to manifest your reality you have to will it into existence. As if, the entire population of India believes their BS, the said planes will spontaneously combusted or something. Tho we are talking about the BJP, so spiritual BS maybe not so unbelievable.

As long as their constituents believe it, it may not matter too much for the BJP anyway. It isn’t like the U.S. or UK will overthrow Modi and put Congress back in power.
 

Observer1

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Despite the immediate kinetic conflict coming to an end, India has still suspended the Indus Water Treaty that risks cutting off Pakistan's critical water supply, and seems to have also increased its material support to terrorist groups; both religious and separatist in nature. This means it's very likely the two countries are going to have a military skirmish again soon. If it escalates further again, the risk of war is very real.

Some things I think Pakistan must focus on now following this skirmish:

1. Upgrade your air defence into a more layered, upgraded and networked system, as Indian missile strikes showed clear weaknesses and gaps. Ukraine did this somewhat well, albeit with NATO support.

2. Have a credible offensive arsenal of munitions/missiles. Hypersonic maneuverable warheads with decent range are necessary, as India possesses a capable layered IADS, including S-400.

3. Work on SEAD/DEAD mission effectiveness, assess how well you can perform this. Not sure how valid their strike capability is because the claims of S-400 neutralisation lack evidence. A large payload platform is missing.

4. Cheap but effective loitering munitions that can saturate Indian AD, go after low value targets. Pakistan could probably produce a local design similar to Iranian Shaheds.

5. Disperse aerial assets across the country, have multiple back-up runways, utilise motorway system.

6. Work on maintaining current aerial superiority, through smart inductions to maintain edge and superior training.

If anyone has other suggestions, feel free to share.
 

siegecrossbow

General
Staff member
Super Moderator
Despite the immediate kinetic conflict coming to an end, India has still suspended the Indus Water Treaty that risks cutting off Pakistan's critical water supply, and seems to have also increased its material support to terrorist groups; both religious and separatist in nature. This means it's very likely the two countries are going to have a military skirmish again soon. If it escalates further again, the risk of war is very real.

Some things I think Pakistan must focus on now following this skirmish:

1. Upgrade your air defence into a more layered, upgraded and networked system, as Indian missile strikes showed clear weaknesses and gaps. Ukraine did this somewhat well, albeit with NATO support.

2. Have a credible offensive arsenal of munitions/missiles. Hypersonic maneuverable warheads with decent range are necessary, as India possesses a capable layered IADS, including S-400.

3. Work on SEAD/DEAD mission effectiveness, assess how well you can perform this. Not sure how valid their strike capability is because the claims of S-400 neutralisation lack evidence. A large payload platform is missing.

4. Cheap but effective loitering munitions that can saturate Indian AD, go after low value targets. Pakistan could probably produce a local design similar to Iranian Shaheds.

5. Disperse aerial assets across the country, have multiple back-up runways, utilise motorway system.

6. Work on maintaining current aerial superiority, through smart inductions to maintain edge and superior training.

If anyone has other suggestions, feel free to share.

One trick commonly employed is to add corner reflectors to drones or loitering munitions so enemy air defense is fooled into thinking that they are high value targets.

I wonder if Pakistan has converted some of its older aircraft (F-6/A-5) into target drones. If it has done that then it can potentially launch them in a bee line against strategically important Indian military targets in a beeline during a major showdown. They can either waste their SAMs or AAMs on them or risk getting hit by what are essentially cruise missiles when stocked up with explosives.
 
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