The Kashmir conflict 2025.
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They brought it down with a 200 million dollar plane. So rich, so many white
They literally gave their pilots citations and called them AMRAAM DODGERS in 2019. They even created patches for it ffs. Pure retardium.
AssassinsMace
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And I remember reading that the US gave India satellite intelligence to them during border skirmishes with China... Funny for such an Indian resounding defeat of Pakistan, any help China gave is moot.
I'm going to write up something on this and I will probably do a podcast on it too.
But there are real issues that Pakistani needs to fix up for the future.
Again, Pakistan military performed pretty well, so this is not intended to be critical of them, but rather things that they need to address going forward.
Just due to the resource disparity between the two sides, India will have more missiles and suicide drones at disposal to attack Pakistani targets than vice versa. As such, Pakistan needs to be very conscious about what it can protect and how it protects them.
For starters, on air defense side of things, it would appear to me their drone defense is pretty effective, since many Harops were shot down. Not sure if they were using laser defense or something else. But there are some serious low cost counter drone weaponry that China can sell them that should allow this to continue to happen.
Secondly, Pakistani military badly needs to improve its air defense around military sites & other critical facilities. Not with HQ-9 or HQ-16, but rather stuff like HQ-17. Have them in more places, so they can be used to defend against faster missiles like Brahmos or something like SCALP.
HQ-9's role needs to be against ballistic missiles and aircraft.
Pakistani needs to make it a policy of always having an AWACS in the air, so that incoming missile attacks can be tracked and shared with air defense. I don't really know what they have in place right now, but attack on military bases needs to be defended.
It's not like India has endless missiles. They only fired off 15 and some of them hit targets clearly.
Now aside from that, there does seem to be a problem with attacking Indian targets. They clearly made an attempt to attack S-400 and Brahmos depot. All logical moves. It's unclear to me how successful they truly were.
But they basically need to get better at several areas at least, this is minimal list:
1) to protect attack aircraft with escorts that can shoot down IAF interceptors from far out.
2) deliver multi-axis attack.
3) apply heavy EW pressure on defending target
I'm not sure they are able to achieve it with the current lineup of aircraft that they have. But first, I think this is where J-35 may provide them with a window of opportunity. It would theoretically provide them with the capability of both neutralizing intercepting IAF aircraft as well as threatening S-400 SAMs. Maybe this is also an area where PAF can increase its training with PLAAF on SEAD missions. It's certainly going to be far easier to do SEAD if you are able to be on winning end in air to air portion, preferably if you can get closer to Indian air space or even entering it. It's only if you can disable S-400, then you can really go after Indian air fields, Brahmos depot and such.
Longer term, Pakistan feels a huge threat from India in terms of control over Indus River. Only by showing it can extract serious cost on India, will that deter India from going down that route.
But there are real issues that Pakistani needs to fix up for the future.
Again, Pakistan military performed pretty well, so this is not intended to be critical of them, but rather things that they need to address going forward.
Just due to the resource disparity between the two sides, India will have more missiles and suicide drones at disposal to attack Pakistani targets than vice versa. As such, Pakistan needs to be very conscious about what it can protect and how it protects them.
For starters, on air defense side of things, it would appear to me their drone defense is pretty effective, since many Harops were shot down. Not sure if they were using laser defense or something else. But there are some serious low cost counter drone weaponry that China can sell them that should allow this to continue to happen.
Secondly, Pakistani military badly needs to improve its air defense around military sites & other critical facilities. Not with HQ-9 or HQ-16, but rather stuff like HQ-17. Have them in more places, so they can be used to defend against faster missiles like Brahmos or something like SCALP.
HQ-9's role needs to be against ballistic missiles and aircraft.
Pakistani needs to make it a policy of always having an AWACS in the air, so that incoming missile attacks can be tracked and shared with air defense. I don't really know what they have in place right now, but attack on military bases needs to be defended.
It's not like India has endless missiles. They only fired off 15 and some of them hit targets clearly.
Now aside from that, there does seem to be a problem with attacking Indian targets. They clearly made an attempt to attack S-400 and Brahmos depot. All logical moves. It's unclear to me how successful they truly were.
But they basically need to get better at several areas at least, this is minimal list:
1) to protect attack aircraft with escorts that can shoot down IAF interceptors from far out.
2) deliver multi-axis attack.
3) apply heavy EW pressure on defending target
I'm not sure they are able to achieve it with the current lineup of aircraft that they have. But first, I think this is where J-35 may provide them with a window of opportunity. It would theoretically provide them with the capability of both neutralizing intercepting IAF aircraft as well as threatening S-400 SAMs. Maybe this is also an area where PAF can increase its training with PLAAF on SEAD missions. It's certainly going to be far easier to do SEAD if you are able to be on winning end in air to air portion, preferably if you can get closer to Indian air space or even entering it. It's only if you can disable S-400, then you can really go after Indian air fields, Brahmos depot and such.
Longer term, Pakistan feels a huge threat from India in terms of control over Indus River. Only by showing it can extract serious cost on India, will that deter India from going down that route.
I wonder if the blimp AWAC is a low cost solution for persistent surveillance of enemy air space.
The anchor is a relatively easy target for drones, though.
With lots of gray warfare around?
A few years ago, Hezbollah struck very expensive Israely AEW blimp base with ATGM. Now any part of the setup can be engaged by a sneaky drone, and, depending on circumstances, very little can be done about it.
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