The Kashmir conflict 2025.

Gloire_bb

Gloire_bb

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siegecrossbow said:
Why is IAF not hosting a similar meet and greet of Rafale, M2K, and MKI pilots with Modi? Even Abinandan got a medal in 2019. Surely they deserve recognition for the feat of bravery on the night of the 7th.
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He visited S-400 regiment and mig-29 base.
Don't know what to make of the latter(who knows?), but the former is probably a signal who performed well.
 
Sinnavuuty

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Two graphics showing the possible downing of the Rafale.

Two images can explain the entire combat process. In the airstrike, the J-10 was responsible for launching the PL-15 missile, while the early warning aircraft guided it remotely (without using a fire control radar, making it undetectable for the Rafale). When the Rafale detected the missile, it probably had only 10 seconds to react. Furthermore, the PL-15 has terminal acceleration.

Chinese map of the situation during the air battle between India and Pakistan on May 7
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Gloire_bb

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Sinnavuuty said:
Two images can explain the entire combat process. In the airstrike, the J-10 was responsible for launching the PL-15 missile, while the early warning aircraft guided it remotely (without using a fire control radar, making it undetectable for the Rafale). When the Rafale detected the missile, it probably had only 10 seconds to react. Furthermore, the PL-15 has terminal acceleration.
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Even assuming that MAWS didn't see launch(doable, but it's a hit at credibility of mwir maws), I find it strange that maws didn't see the second burn (which should've happened far enough to react, but close enough to prevent any physical obstacles for MAWS).

Like, if maws only sees launch events within dozen miles - ugh. Suboptimal. And strange - su-35s spot NASAMS launch events (i.e. AMRAAM, and also mwir MAWS - not a hemispheric one, though) several times further out.
 
snake65

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plawolf said:
Well, to be fair you might be a little too critical here.



The fact that the PAF achieved a near full house of kills against almost every frontline fighter aircraft type within the IAF strongly suggests that it was more a case of how well the PAF and Chinese tactics and weapons performance combined with how backwards IAF tactics were, as opposed to how bad the Rafale was. It does prove that the Rafale isn’t magic as French marketing would have you believe. But then, I think even the F22 and J20 would have struggled in IAF hands in those same circumstances.
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Is the actual kill ratio known? How many missiles PAF launched and was it only PL-15? Any system can be overwhelmed by sheer numbers and diversity of near-simultaneous threats.
 
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