The Kashmir conflict 2025.

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siegecrossbow said:
I think the key takeaway is that just because you have superior air to air gear/doctrine doesn’t necessarily mean you have air superiority. People may get upset hearing this but I think MLRS and suicide drones may end up playing a bigger part during AR than J-20.
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Just look at Ukraine, the fancy stuff like Su-35 or even Su-57 are a footnotes compared to artillery, cruise missiles, and suicide drones. Those Pakistani AWACs give such huge situational awareness advantage, not dissimilar to the role of NATO AWACs for Ukraine.
 
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Coming from a different angle, Bloomberg published a piece on how Pakistan outmaneuvered India diplomatically during ceasefire talks:

Trump Truce Leaves India Furious, Pakistan Elated as Risks Loom​

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But in the Indian capital of New Delhi, many top officials were seething. The US president’s post on Truth Social caught key officials involved by surprise, according to people familiar with the situation, who asked not to be identified because the discussions were private. What really offended them was not simply the US efforts to de-escalate. Talks between India and Pakistan had been underway behind the scenes even as drones and missiles flew back and forth, targeting military bases on both sides in the most intense fighting since a 1971 war. Rather, it was Trump’s move to upstage Prime Minister Narendra Modi, undermine India’s longstanding policy to resolve the Kashmir territorial dispute through bilateral talks and — perhaps worst of all — put the sworn enemies on an equal footing, a move officials in New Delhi have resisted as the nation’s economy surges ahead of Pakistan.
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US and Trump getting involved goes against longstanding Indian policy of keeping Kashmir localized.

“This is typical Trump overreach at a time when he doesn’t have a mandate to do so,” Goswami roared in a
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that has since gone viral on social media in India. “How on earth can Trump equalize between what has happened in Pahalgam and what has happened thereafter? It’s a clear overstretch.”

Many Indians are angry at the US and feel as though the outcome amounts to a loss, adding pressure on Modi to hit back hard against any future attacks on civilians or cross-border provocations. In Pakistan, meanwhile, news of the ceasefire was met with fireworks and celebrations, and the military has been hailed as victors — incentive for top generals to follow the same playbook in future skirmishes.
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Meanwhile Pakistan has long tried to globalize the issue to put pressure on India.

The ceasefire announcement was met with jubilation in Pakistan. In a late-night address to the nation, Sharif called it a “historic victory” and thanked the US, as well as other countries he said had helped to mediate, including Saudi Arabia and China. In India, however, a different reaction was beginning to take hold. Indian officials privately denied that the US negotiated the settlement, and there was anger among top officials that Trump had been the first to announce the ceasefire. They suspected that Pakistan told the US about the de-escalation, according to people familiar with the situation. Pakistan’s military spokesman Lieutenant General Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry on Sunday denied they had requested a ceasefire.

While Trump and Pakistani leader Sharif both publicly hailed the ceasefire, Modi stayed silent. On Saturday evening in New Delhi, Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri briefed reporters about the ceasefire and made no mention of any US role. Indian officials were also upset that Rubio said publicly that representatives for both countries would meet at a neutral location, the people said.
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The biggest coup is re-hyphenating the two countries.

To make things worse for India, Trump followed up his ceasefire announcement with a post on Sunday morning in Asia saying he was proud of “the strong and unwaveringly powerful leadership of India and Pakistan.” He also pledged to increase trade with both nations and help find a “solution” to the Kashmir issue. To India, Trump’s move to “hyphenate” the two countries is a significant diplomatic victory for Pakistan and a downgrade for Modi, people familiar with the matter said.

“This is a big, big win,” Naeem Khan Lodhi, a retired Lieutenant General in the Pakistan army, said by phone. “We knew we would do well, but this is a pleasant surprise.”
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is an Indian. :eek: Moderator‘s note: That‘s utter nonsense!

He says, none of Indian jets down are confirmed, meanwhile Paki need to explain their possible JF-17 down and confirmed mass damage to their air bases.

Then, everyone in the comment section are celebrating Indian's total success & blaming China & Paki's propaganda.

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