The Kashmir conflict 2025.

JayBird said:

Since May-7, basically both side were reluctant to send their fighter jets into other side's airspace because of risk being shot down and pilot capture like Abhinandan back in 2019.

Why would PAF sent Mirage III/V into India airspace and give India a chance of scoring a big W with their propaganda when PAF already won the air war? Also, since it was crashed on Indian side, I'm sure India media will be all over it and boasting non stop by now if that was Pakistani fight jets that was crashed on their side.

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Han Patriot said:

Indian side already said they didn't down any Pak planes. That is a mig29 engine, see the discussion in that post.

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LCR34 said:

Indian chief said they could have shot down Paks plane. And now Indians on berserk mode saying paf hides their losses.

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LCR34 said:

Indian chief said they could have shot down Paks plane. And now Indians on berserk mode saying paf hides their losses.

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ACuriousPLAFan said:

Based on observations on the India-Pakistan skirmishes as of present, there are three categories which I believe that the Pakistani military should pile on, improve on, and add on respectively. Could be understated or overstated, of course.

1. Better things that should be piled on to further strengthen the advantages:
- Procure additional medium fighters, i.e. J-10CE in greater numbers to replace the older batches of F-16s;
- Procure additional light fighters, i.e. JF-17 in greater numbers that would entirely replace all the Mirages and F-7s;
- Procure additional AEW&C aircrafts, i.e. Erieye to enable greater degree of continuous radar coverage along the entire frontlines;
- Procure additional dedicated EW (ECM and ESM) aircraft platforms that would enable the soft kill of enemy munitions, as well as disrupting enemy aerial combat operations; and
- Procure additional aerial tankers to extend loiter duration of allied warplanes.

2. Not so good things that should be improved upon to remedy deficiencies and rectify problems:
- Procure more LRSAM batteries, i.e. HQ-9 and/or HQ-22 to intercept enemy missiles at long ranges;
- Procure more MRSAM batteries, i.e. HQ-16 and/or HQ-11 to intercept enemy missiles at medium ranges;
- Procure more SRSAM + CIWS + DEW batteries, i.e. HQ-17 + LD2000 to intercept enemy missiles and drone swarms at short/close-in distances;
- Procure land-based EW platforms to soft-kill enemy missiles and drone swarms; and
- Procure more MALE/HALE U(C)AV platforms to assist in reconnaissance, early-warning and strike missions.

3. Things that should be newly added into the inventory for greater battlefield impact:
- Procure 5th-generation fighters, i.e. J-35s and KAAN (if the latter can enter production in time), which would be useful for establishing technological parity with the enemy at the very least;
- Procure dedicated ELINT/SIGINT aircraft platforms to enable reconnaissance and early-warning in the EM domain; and
- Procure strategic ABM and AHM platforms to defend against potential enemy MRBM, IRBM and hypersonic missile attacks.

Oh, and one more thing - Greater degree of OPSEC enforcement is needed.

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Observer1 said:

While some very good suggestions, nearly all suggestions are air force orientated alone, and that too in the air-to-air operations domain only.

Pakistan needs to focus some resources on its navy which is weak, and also better strike capabilities deep into Indian territory, and kamikaze munitions.

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LCR34 said:

Indian chief said they could have shot down Paks plane. And now Indians on berserk mode saying paf hides their losses.

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Han Patriot said:

Yes can you just read that post and the people replying correcting PLAOSINT, he got it wrong. He say 'we may have' he didn't say we shot down ONE MIRAGE 2000 at coordinates bla bla bla. If you watch the Pak ISPR presentation, they gave precise coordinates and plane model and intercepted comms.

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siegecrossbow said:

I think the key takeaway is that just because you have superior air to air gear/doctrine doesn’t necessarily mean you have air superiority. People may get upset hearing this but I think MLRS and suicide drones may end up playing a bigger part during AR than J-20.

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