The Kashmir conflict 2025.

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neutralobserver said:
Could you possibly provide an English translation?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1921654157083107467
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It is gonna be very hard work and covers almost a decade of progress for Shaheen exercises. But gist of it is that PLAAF has been frank and open with PAF on every aspect of tactic integrating AWAC, EW, and force multipliers. PAF was skeptical of some of the practices but later integrated them with great results.

ps Despite the fact that PAF has participated in multiple exercises with USAF they’ve been withholding EW.
 
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plawolf said:
What’s the point of CAP in 2025 if they aren’t carrying BVRAAMs? That’s utter cope to explain the utterly one-sided fight.

The far simpler and infinitely more likely reason is that the IAF got utterly out-sticked by the PL15 to a far greater extent than their worst case scenarios.

The IAF likely did their mission planning based on PL15E advertised specs and may have even applied their own discount factor based on their own experience with important weapons. Based on that, they thought they were safe from attack by launching stand-off weapons from deep inside their own airspace. The IAF strike package fired and burned for home. IAF CAP saw PAF CAP also going cold and turning away and probably thought the PAF didn’t even realise the IAF had opened fire. They were probably still congratulating themselves when either RWR started to scream, or maybe their first warning were IAF fighters exploding in the air.
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Come on. This is way too sensational.

The most likely explanation is that IAF did not coordinate nearly as well with AEW like PAF did. They did not have a good situational picture.

It is unlikely that either the J-10C or Rafale can reliably track small fighter size targets with RCS reduction features with their organic radars at the extreme range envelope of PL-15 and Meteor. I would agree with you that the IAF probably never saw it coming until RWR triggered when PL-15 went active, but by then it was too late.
 
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phrozenflame said:
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Everyone trying to shit on Chinese AD ...PAF says they were dealing with 100s of vectors. Its very plausible that less than 10 got thru. No AD can prevent that.

Look at Israel or Ukraine, the most heavily defended and dense airspace in the world. Pakistan fared quite well.
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1921634013040501053


Yes, it's obvious that you cannot stop saturation attacks. Iran was able to hit Israel despite having possibly the largest air defense network in the world.
 
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There's a lot of shit posting on India on this thread.

But if one looks at this objectively from their point of view, wouldn't most posters do exactly what they did?

They can claim "victory" and sell it to their populace. But the key is the next part, which is if they admit their errors internally and start correcting weaknesses.

If I were Indian, I would be happy that they admitted there will always be casualties in war, in hope they will learn about their deficits, and improve.

If one were really trying to hurt them, then it would be to praise their actions, magnify their achievements, stoke their ego, preventing them from improving. Just like all those news articles about Indian manufacturing prowess dating back decades.

I personally feel that the much of the criticisms towards china over the decades, while malicious, acctually made china better, stronger, more independent, and now the results speak for themselves. But the key is to be honest with oneself and then improve. If one is not honest about oneself, why should others help them be honest?

China should not underestimate India at all. But if china really wanted to hurt India, they should be telling everyone that the J10s got "lucky", the PL15E got "lucky". It was the pilots that made the most difference. lol
 
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siegecrossbow said:
Why is J-31 V2.0 firing a PL-21 in the artwork? Is J-10C a transformer now?
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Praise is praise from a true accomplishment otherwise they would show the Chinese aircraft as a J6 firing its 30mm cannons at the Rafale-and having a named high ranking US official/source stating plainly that 3 Rafales were shot down is a veritable official confirmation-the jaihinds have now heard it and are probably apoplectic now
 
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Zichan said:
It is unlikely that either the J-10C or Rafale can reliably track small fighter size targets with RCS reduction features with their organic radars at the extreme range envelope of PL-15 and Meteor.
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RCS reduction features meaningless for aircraft carrying multiple missiles on exterior of aircraft. Even more so if some of the said missiles were big heavy cruise missiles.
 
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