So i guess it makes sense from Indian point of view to switch to Missiles and Drones because they would be getting more assets shot down. Honestly, this is the most surprising thing for everyone specially Westoids. They all assumed Pakistan Air Force would be gone within 24 to 48 hours and Indians would obtain air superiority over Pakistani skies and i don't blame Westoids because they encounter Indian disinformation every day on Twitter/X.
The Kashmir conflict 2025.
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So i guess it makes sense from Indian point of view to switch to Missiles and Drones because they would be getting more assets shot down. Honestly, this is the most surprising thing for everyone specially Westoids. They all assumed Pakistan Air Force would be gone within 24 to 48 hours and Indians would obtain air superiority over Pakistani skies and i don't blame Westoids because they encounter Indian disinformation every day on Twitter/X.
They do, but if i'm not mistaken they haven't even got as far as flying a prototype yet. So there is a long way to go even if after this current fiasco they hurry things up. I'll be curious if they will order RVV-BD as a stopgap, as that seems to be the only option to counter the PL-15.
That will take years, and they barely started on this due to lack of spares coming from Russia. By the time they even have a squadron or so, Pakistan will have several squadrons of stealth aircraft in inventory
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What’s the point of CAP in 2025 if they aren’t carrying BVRAAMs? That’s utter cope to explain the utterly one-sided fight.
The far simpler and infinitely more likely reason is that the IAF got utterly out-sticked by the PL15 to a far greater extent than their worst case scenarios.
The IAF likely did their mission planning based on PL15E advertised specs and may have even applied their own discount factor based on their own experience with important weapons. Based on that, they thought they were safe from attack by launching stand-off weapons from deep inside their own airspace. The IAF strike package fired and burned for home. IAF CAP saw PAF CAP also going cold and turning away and probably thought the PAF didn’t even realise the IAF had opened fire. They were probably still congratulating themselves when either RWR started to scream, or maybe their first warning were IAF fighters exploding in the air.
So after several days of rampage, both sides stopped fighting with immediate effect. Both sides are celebrating victory. The dead in this war are counted in the hundreds, the damage in the billions of dollars. It can be done. And who won? Reason. No more dying. They made the decision of their own free will. Isn't that a beautiful result?
The analyses are still difficult, there are few verified reports. But that doesn't matter. Analyses don't kill.
You see, and peace in Ukraine is still far away. You know, the Germans are eager to fight again, France wants to win at least once in 100 years, and the British haven't noticed that they are no longer a superpower. And Russia will never surrender. Well, that's how it is when a party under their influence cannot act freely. Oh yeah.
The analyses are still difficult, there are few verified reports. But that doesn't matter. Analyses don't kill.
You see, and peace in Ukraine is still far away. You know, the Germans are eager to fight again, France wants to win at least once in 100 years, and the British haven't noticed that they are no longer a superpower. And Russia will never surrender. Well, that's how it is when a party under their influence cannot act freely. Oh yeah.
I’d like to refer you to this article by Yankeesama. It appears that J-10C and PL-15 are the least of IAF’s problems. Doctrinal differences are simply too great. It is like a medieval army fighting with a modern army — if even both sides have same weapons, result would be lopsided.
Yes, unfortunately the Indian side thinks war is all fun and games (due to their media honestly) - I truly hope saner heads in India prevail and teach their nation that war can bring so much death and destruction when you fight near peer adversary.They were all calling for India to make Pakistan another Gaza without understanding the asymmetry between Israel and Palestine.. Pakistan simply responded to provocation. It did not initiate the fight.
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That's also plausible scenario. Or the Indian CAP BVRs were just outranged and not able to have a lock from where they were.