The Kashmir conflict 2025.

[GiantPanda]

Wasn't there reporting of a dual radar and infrared seeker on the PL-15?

If terminal targeting is done via infrared, there wouldn't be any radar emissions for the Rafale to detect.

That is another scenario.

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And if this was a maximum range launch, then the second rocket motor pulse would have occurred mid-phase in a ballistic trajectory. So the missile rocket motor would not be generating an infrared signature when it reaches the target

Not sure about the IR seeker. I haven't heard of it. Seems too much to fit in a separate seekerhead when you are constrained by space and needing as much space as you can for the radar.

The PL-15's main advantage over all other AAMs is the AESA radar. This is the pacing threat that kicked off the AIM-260.

AESA theoritically can operate in LPI (low probability of intercept) mode which reduces radiation while still maintain solution for firing. This description is for aircraft radar. But in theory, a missile's AESA can do the same.

 

[N00B]

Try firing back.

India just did.

3 initially admitted by India

India hasn't admitted/denies any loss so far. Not officially. Some Indian news media reported. Indian media, as you are aware, is notoriously unreliable.

Similar to what?

Think of a GIANT fireball in the middle of a city.

 

[manqiangrexue]

India just did.

In the air. Both shot at each other on the ground.

India hasn't admitted/denies any loss so far. Not officially.

That's what's so funny. It's to the backdrop of aircraft carcasses on the ground and local officials disclosing information they didn't know they weren't supposed to.

Some Indian news media reported. Indian media, as you are aware, is notoriously unreliable.

Then you should probably not get your info from them, right, Mr. Leaning Toward Believing?

Think of a GIANT fireball in the middle of a city.

Why think about it? Just look at the picture of the result. Fully functional air base with supposedly destroyed aircraft taking off the next morning.

Where's the rest of my post? You pick only the ones you want to answer as if the other stuff wasn't said?

 

[Ironhide]

In total, Pakistan bagged two air-to-air kills

4 confirmed kills with ample evidence (4th is Su-30 but may need a bit more evidence just be 100% sure, which will be out eventually)

Just unbiased facts with clearly visible debris that has been Id'ed by 3rd party experts

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1920559462089191485

 

[ohan_qwe]

Doesn't India at least have domestic production facilities for shells and ammunition? You'd think with an $80 billion defense budget at least enough of it will be left after the corruption and kickbacks to at supply the army with basic munitions and war materiel.

One would think that India should be able to design a working assault rifle but INSAS don't work well. Basically everything is more complicated than a rifle.

 

[N00B]

You read.. but you did not see, right? In fact, you did not see even a single major hit anywhere. Landing shots on empty land is a miss, not a hit. Lobbing millions of dollars worth of missiles only to land on empty land without causing much damage is as useless. Calling it "sending a message" is just cope.

It's good to see that the discourse here has improved from "India could do nothing, lol" to "OK, may be they did something, but not much". I hope it improves more.

Then you should probably not get your info from them, right, Mr. Leaning Toward Believing?

I haven't linked anything to Indian media. I am a responsible poster.

4 confirmed kills with ample evidence

I am going with what Reuters/CNN reported. More reliable.

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

1. India killed about 20 terrorists and their handlers, including one IC814 hijacker. Some civilians were collateral damage, unfortunately.

What proof is there that those killed were responsible for the terror attacks in India, or even terrorists at all?

 

[tonyget]

ex-French pilot analysis on Rafale shot down cases

 

[GiantPanda]

It wasn't, actually. If it were, PAF would be flying over Delhi right now.

They probably would be if it were a general war. It would be escalation.

My take, IAF jets were vulnerable as they were focused on targeting the camps. This made the job of PAF easier. If PAF were that superior to IAF as you are making it out to be, we would have seen more IAF jets going down over the next two days. The air battle has been intense.

1) What strike package simply "concentrates on targeting"? Every proper strike package should have counter components for enemy fighter, AD and EW.

2) By all indications, there was no air battle after the first few hours. There were no signs of intensive air battle when Pakistan retaliated. In fact, after the initial flurry there was only one more rumor of a Rafale hit at Sialkot but nothing else.

It looks to me like the IAF had grounded itself even during Pakistan's retaliation. The J-17s that might or might not have hit the S-400 did not receive pursuit.

Lastly, not a single report of a Indian BVR found, fired or encountered during the whole episode. No PAF fighter ever had to "dodge" an Indian missile to prove its mettle.

 

[manqiangrexue]

It's good to see that the discourse here has improved from "India could do nothing, lol" to "OK, may be they did something, but not much".

First night, it could do nothing but get shot down. After that, it didn't dare use its air force anymore so it used drones and missiles to fight to an even draw with Pakistan. India never did anything to redeem itself for its first night of failures.

The drone/missile draw will be considered Pakistan's weakness just because it didn't dominate like its air force did. China will help them fix that. Wonder what India will do about the IAF.

I hope it improves more.

It'll improve if India manages to do more.

I haven't linked anything to Indian media.

Where did you get your info from? You see a video of an explosion and just believe that it was a hit that devastated an air base?

I am a responsible poster.

So responsible that you are known for your hallmark, "I'm leaning towards believing because it's just my hunch."

I am going with what Reuters/CNN reported. More reliable.

CNN says India begged Washington for the ceasefire.