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I would respectfully disagree but arguing that Chinese "liberals" are cunning and happen to he a powerful minority occupying well-paid positions in China's economy. They tend to be in the finance and real estate sectors, while some of them are intellectual teaching in party schools and political science/economic professors in universities (which used to be where lots of liberals use their Party memberships to hide their beliefs). It is true that they are in the minority in China, but the past 40 years of economic development gave them plenty of opportunities to occupy influential positions in trade, property, and academic positions to spread their influence. You can think of them as many Yeltsin gangs within China's political-economic structure. One last thing, they tend to send their families abroad, so just in case they get in trouble (due to corruption, political struggle, etc.), they can always move abroad. Therefore, they have little to fear when opposing the CCP. They are much more affluent and well-connected then Joe average PRC citizens. Many of them are party members, sons and daughters of high-ranking officials, and could have bought their business influence through nepotism/kleptocracy/corrupt connections. Their power inevitably grew out of China's market economic reform (thus, it is unwise to eliminate them or completely shut them up), but the CCP has so far prevent them from setting the dominant narrative and agenda.

To recap, these individuals aren't ideologically "liberal", "democratic", or "pluralistic" by heart. In fact, they are most social darwinian and outwardly abrasive folks you can find among mankind (it is every difficult to have a conversation with them since they always seek to lecture you about how legitimate they are and superior to other Chinese), but liberalism (especially if the CCP were to undergo a chaotic collapse) could at least legalize their ill-gotten wealth and corrupt dealings.

If one day China were to become a liberal democracy, I honestly do not see much hope in these folks becoming an honest opposition beneficial to the country's democratization. These folks are more than happy to collude with foreign capital to buy up China's national assets are below-market price and hollowing out the country (like Russia in 1990s), turning the country into another semi colony.
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This big misconception about liberal and Yeltsin. Infact Yeltsin empowered the people who will shaped today Russia much differently than all other ex communist countries which are regarded failure by those who matter. alot of things i can write but i am not writing. In 80s the duration of Saudi Ministers and Ambassadors were measured in decades not years on there posts and that give them insights and strategic thinking that no one else had like Saudi Prince flying in Space Shuttle and that Arab satellite system information control and all the latest R&D especially in Airpower as Arabs were the biggest export buyers . All that thought process and Royal culture was transferred to Russian muslims and they have very effectively implemented the learnings. when Arabs built cities in desert Russian built cities at higher elevation but still with that Desert vibe. This cannot happen if they dont have sense of gratitude. He was the head of Lipetsk combat training of Soviet/Russian Airforce but these people wanted to send first flight in direction of Saudis. and what ever you see in Ukraine is incarnation of it in modern form and they are observing it. when a heavier missiles is launch it usually drops and than fire up but this missile from MIG31 is in straight line fully covered in white glow. MIG31 not small aircraft.
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The first Hero of Russia (posthumously) was the head of the Lipetsk center for combat training and retraining of flight personnel, Aviation Major General Sulambek Oskanov. The plane will make its first flight on Wednesday carrying Hajj pilgrims

On March 20, 1992, the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation established the title of Hero of the Russian Federation and the insignia - the Gold Star medal​

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I remember back in the 90s being lectured by white westerners how “saving face” was a uniquely Chinese custom and that China must westernise.

The US is evidently so weak now that they need to ask its enemies for symbolic victories to show the people at home. Seems like Iran in SCO and BRICS has emboldened anti U.S. elements not unlike the U.S. emboldening Filipino slaves against China.

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that freedom of speech in the west truly is something, especially ,t for vassal nations of the anglosphere
 
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ChongqingHotPot92 said:
If one day China were to become a liberal democracy, I honestly do not see much hope in these folks becoming an honest opposition beneficial to the country's democratization. These folks are more than happy to collude with foreign capital to buy up China's national assets are below-market price and hollowing out the country (like Russia in 1990s), turning the country into another semi colony.
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That's why China has to be very careful when they open up their financial market to foreign companies. There are 5th columnists waiting in the wings to sell off Chinese national assets cheaply.

Can't cope with the fact that China is safe and clean? Just fabricate another moronic tall tale about China's nonexistent "social credit score".
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