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ChongqingHotPot92

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That's why China has to be very careful when they open up their financial market to foreign companies. There are 5th columnists waiting in the wings to sell off Chinese national assets cheaply.
To be honest, I am quite pessimistic. It is hard to predict what will come after Xi. Xi's problems are all well-known, so I am not going to repeat them here, but he somehow managed to prevent the ship from sinking. The judgement day for China as a whole could arrive on the day he retires or passes away in office. He has concentrated so much power in his own hands that his sudden disappearance could lead to lots of uncertainty. That's when you see groups like Shanghai-based financial fat cats (often sons and daughters of well-connected party elites), "liberal" intellectuals, journalists, radical feminists, and other so-called "liberals" within the CCP ganging up against the Xi establishment currently comprised of the military industrial complex, scientists, telecommunication giants, other national security organs, etc. There will likely be a country-wide power struggle and very chaotic street-level violence like Hong Kong in 2019, as both sides (or multiple sides) try to stir-up protesters on their behalf. And of course, you will surely have foreign interventions in the forms of back money and intelligence operations. Even fools would know that the financial fat cats in China would collude with foreign intelligence services and MNCs to limit the power of the CCP to point where those fat cats could continue to exploit the cheap labour in China whilst not paying their tax. God know what would happen when it all ends.

On the side note, something extremely sick is going on with people's values in China nowadays:
1. Middle class Chinese are now spending massive amount of money to try to cross into the U.S. via Mexico, risking everything despite absolutely no guarantee of being able to find a job in the U.S.
2. 996 work culture persists despite labor law clearly making it illegal. With the 996 work culture, employees are burnt out and have no family time at all. In other words, both employers and employees are violating the labor laws just to squeeze the last bits of pennies in cut-throat competitions. Current labour laws are literally impossible to implement since EVERYONE is violating them.
3. Toxic competition and back stabbings in both academic and professional settings called 内卷.
4. Urban young Chinese women (mostly daughters of well-to-do elites) refuse to marry and have babies with Chinese men. When they marry foreign men, they demand no bride price, but when approach by their Chinese counterparts, they demand exorbitant bride price in the name of "feminism". This social phenomenon (call it gender war, if you like) is arguably impossible to fix.
5. While the government hopes to resuscitate the collapsing birth rate, there are little mechanism in place to support pregnant women, and single mothers and fathers. Of course this can relatively easy to fix by increasing welfare coverage.
6. All of these problems, along with others, are making people extremely social darwinian in their beliefs. If you lose your job or your company get driven out of business, nobody would sympathize with you since it is "natural selection" of the fittest.
7. The richest people all try to transfer their assets abroad with the hope to tax avoidance. If you think American companies and Wall Street are kings of tax avoidance, you need to travel to Shanghai and actually talk to Shanghai business elites.

All of them are China's persistent vulnerabilities. Should China undergo democratic transitions, these issues could easily derail the transition and turn the country upside down.
 
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xlitter

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To be honest, I am quite pessimistic. It is hard to predict what will come after Xi. Xi's problems are all well-known, so I am not going to repeat them here, but he somehow managed to prevent the ship from sinking. The judgement day for China as a whole could arrive on the day he retires or passes away in office. He has concentrated so much power in his own hands that his sudden disappearance could lead to lots of uncertainty. That's when you see groups like Shanghai-based financial fat cats (often sons and daughters of well-connected party elites), "liberal" intellectuals, journalists, radical feminists, and other so-called "liberals" within the CCP ganging up against the Xi establishment currently comprised of the military industrial complex, scientists, telecommunication giants, other national security organs, etc. There will likely be a country-wide power struggle and very chaotic street-level violence like Hong Kong in 2019, as both sides (or multiple sides) try to stir-up protesters on their behalf. And of course, you will surely have foreign interventions in the forms of back money and intelligence operations. Even fools would know that the financial fat cats in China would collude with foreign intelligence services and MNCs to limit the power of the CCP to point where those fat cats could continue to exploit the cheap labour in China whilst not paying their tax. God know what would happen when it all ends.

On the side note, something extremely sick is going on with people's values in China nowadays:
1. Middle class Chinese are now spending massive amount of money to try to cross into the U.S. via Mexico, risking everything despite absolutely no guarantee of being able to find a job in the U.S.
2. 996 work culture persists despite labor law clearly making it illegal. With the 996 work culture, employees are burnt out and have no family time at all. In other words, both employers and employees are violating the labor laws just to squeeze the last bits of pennies in cut-throat competitions. Current labour laws are literally impossible to implement since EVERYONE is violating them.
3. Toxic competition and back stabbings in both academic and professional settings called 内卷.
4. Urban young Chinese women (mostly daughters of well-to-do elites) refuse to marry and have babies with Chinese men. When they marry foreign men, they demand no bride price, but when approach by their Chinese counterparts, they demand exorbitant bride price in the name of "feminism". This social phenomenon (call it gender war, if you like) is arguably impossible to fix.
5. While the government hopes to resuscitate the collapsing birth rate, there are little mechanism in place to support pregnant women, and single mothers and fathers. Of course this can relatively easy to fix by increasing welfare coverage.
6. All of these problems, along with others, are making people extremely social darwinian in their beliefs. If you lose your job or your company get driven out of business, nobody would sympathize with you since it is "natural selection" of the fittest.
7. The richest people all try to transfer their assets abroad with the hope to tax avoidance. If you think American companies and Wall Street are kings of tax avoidance, you need to travel to Shanghai and actually talk to Shanghai business elites.

All of them are China's persistent vulnerabilities. Should China undergo democratic transitions, these issues could easily derail the transition and turn the country upside down.
Your article contains nothing new except repeating the chatter of anti-China media.
 

MortyandRick

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To be honest, I am quite pessimistic. It is hard to predict what will come after Xi. Xi's problems are all well-known, so I am not going to repeat them here, but he somehow managed to prevent the ship from sinking. The judgement day for China as a whole could arrive on the day he retires or passes away in office. He has concentrated so much power in his own hands that his sudden disappearance could lead to lots of uncertainty. That's when you see groups like Shanghai-based financial fat cats (often sons and daughters of well-connected party elites), "liberal" intellectuals, journalists, radical feminists, and other so-called "liberals" within the CCP ganging up against the Xi establishment currently comprised of the military industrial complex, scientists, telecommunication giants, other national security organs, etc. There will likely be a country-wide power struggle and very chaotic street-level violence like Hong Kong in 2019, as both sides (or multiple sides) try to stir-up protesters on their behalf. And of course, you will surely have foreign interventions in the forms of back money and intelligence operations. Even fools would know that the financial fat cats in China would collude with foreign intelligence services and MNCs to limit the power of the CCP to point where those fat cats could continue to exploit the cheap labour in China whilst not paying their tax. God know what would happen when it all ends.

On the side note, something extremely sick is going on with people's values in China nowadays:
1. Middle class Chinese are now spending massive amount of money to try to cross into the U.S. via Mexico, risking everything despite absolutely no guarantee of being able to find a job in the U.S.
2. 996 work culture persists despite labor law clearly making it illegal. With the 996 work culture, employees are burnt out and have no family time at all. In other words, both employers and employees are violating the labor laws just to squeeze the last bits of pennies in cut-throat competitions. Current labour laws are literally impossible to implement since EVERYONE is violating them.
3. Toxic competition and back stabbings in both academic and professional settings called 内卷.
4. Urban young Chinese women (mostly daughters of well-to-do elites) refuse to marry and have babies with Chinese men. When they marry foreign men, they demand no bride price, but when approach by their Chinese counterparts, they demand exorbitant bride price in the name of "feminism". This social phenomenon (call it gender war, if you like) is arguably impossible to fix.
5. While the government hopes to resuscitate the collapsing birth rate, there are little mechanism in place to support pregnant women, and single mothers and fathers. Of course this can relatively easy to fix by increasing welfare coverage.
6. All of these problems, along with others, are making people extremely social darwinian in their beliefs. If you lose your job or your company get driven out of business, nobody would sympathize with you since it is "natural selection" of the fittest.
7. The richest people all try to transfer their assets abroad with the hope to tax avoidance. If you think American companies and Wall Street are kings of tax avoidance, you need to travel to Shanghai and actually talk to Shanghai business elites.

All of them are China's persistent vulnerabilities. Should China undergo democratic transitions, these issues could easily derail the transition and turn the country upside down.
This post is like if peter zeihan and serpentza had a baby and it was raised by the epoch times.
 

Phead128

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I think what he was trying to say is that Turks and Iranians are highly intelligent and academically-inclined, which, based on my experience, is true. There are many Iranians in the technical departments of virtually every well-regarded university in the West. Also, if I remember correctly, Middle East Technical University in Turkey is one of the most prestigious universities in the Middle East.
METU is very good, I had a Turkic visitor from METU, incredibly smart, now PhD in Switzerland. He says Turks can trace their genetic lineage back to China and Mongolia, which I thought was interesting.

To be honest, I am quite pessimistic. It is hard to predict what will come after Xi. Xi's problems are all well-known, so I am not going to repeat them here, but he somehow managed to prevent the ship from sinking. The judgement day for China as a whole could arrive on the day he retires or passes away in office. He has concentrated so much power in his own hands that his sudden disappearance could lead to lots of uncertainty. That's when you see groups like Shanghai-based financial fat cats (often sons and daughters of well-connected party elites), "liberal" intellectuals, journalists, radical feminists, and other so-called "liberals" within the CCP ganging up against the Xi establishment currently comprised of the military industrial complex, scientists, telecommunication giants, other national security organs, etc. There will likely be a country-wide power struggle and very chaotic street-level violence like Hong Kong in 2019, as both sides (or multiple sides) try to stir-up protesters on their behalf. And of course, you will surely have foreign interventions in the forms of back money and intelligence operations. Even fools would know that the financial fat cats in China would collude with foreign intelligence services and MNCs to limit the power of the CCP to point where those fat cats could continue to exploit the cheap labour in China whilst not paying their tax. God know what would happen when it all ends.

On the side note, something extremely sick is going on with people's values in China nowadays:
1. Middle class Chinese are now spending massive amount of money to try to cross into the U.S. via Mexico, risking everything despite absolutely no guarantee of being able to find a job in the U.S.
2. 996 work culture persists despite labor law clearly making it illegal. With the 996 work culture, employees are burnt out and have no family time at all. In other words, both employers and employees are violating the labor laws just to squeeze the last bits of pennies in cut-throat competitions. Current labour laws are literally impossible to implement since EVERYONE is violating them.
3. Toxic competition and back stabbings in both academic and professional settings called 内卷.
4. Urban young Chinese women (mostly daughters of well-to-do elites) refuse to marry and have babies with Chinese men. When they marry foreign men, they demand no bride price, but when approach by their Chinese counterparts, they demand exorbitant bride price in the name of "feminism". This social phenomenon (call it gender war, if you like) is arguably impossible to fix.
5. While the government hopes to resuscitate the collapsing birth rate, there are little mechanism in place to support pregnant women, and single mothers and fathers. Of course this can relatively easy to fix by increasing welfare coverage.
6. All of these problems, along with others, are making people extremely social darwinian in their beliefs. If you lose your job or your company get driven out of business, nobody would sympathize with you since it is "natural selection" of the fittest.
7. The richest people all try to transfer their assets abroad with the hope to tax avoidance. If you think American companies and Wall Street are kings of tax avoidance, you need to travel to Shanghai and actually talk to Shanghai business elites.

All of them are China's persistent vulnerabilities. Should China undergo democratic transitions, these issues could easily derail the transition and turn the country upside down.

I think you overestimate the real impact of this. This represents a small fraction of the problems, it won't fundamentally change the trajectory of China's rise.
 

canonicalsadhu

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To be honest, I am quite pessimistic. It is hard to predict what will come after Xi. Xi's problems are all well-known, so I am not going to repeat them here, but he somehow managed to prevent the ship from sinking. The judgement day for China as a whole could arrive on the day he retires or passes away in office. He has concentrated so much power in his own hands that his sudden disappearance could lead to lots of uncertainty. That's when you see groups like Shanghai-based financial fat cats (often sons and daughters of well-connected party elites), "liberal" intellectuals, journalists, radical feminists, and other so-called "liberals" within the CCP ganging up against the Xi establishment currently comprised of the military industrial complex, scientists, telecommunication giants, other national security organs, etc. There will likely be a country-wide power struggle and very chaotic street-level violence like Hong Kong in 2019, as both sides (or multiple sides) try to stir-up protesters on their behalf. And of course, you will surely have foreign interventions in the forms of back money and intelligence operations. Even fools would know that the financial fat cats in China would collude with foreign intelligence services and MNCs to limit the power of the CCP to point where those fat cats could continue to exploit the cheap labour in China whilst not paying their tax. God know what would happen when it all ends.

On the side note, something extremely sick is going on with people's values in China nowadays:
1. Middle class Chinese are now spending massive amount of money to try to cross into the U.S. via Mexico, risking everything despite absolutely no guarantee of being able to find a job in the U.S.
2. 996 work culture persists despite labor law clearly making it illegal. With the 996 work culture, employees are burnt out and have no family time at all. In other words, both employers and employees are violating the labor laws just to squeeze the last bits of pennies in cut-throat competitions. Current labour laws are literally impossible to implement since EVERYONE is violating them.
3. Toxic competition and back stabbings in both academic and professional settings called 内卷.
4. Urban young Chinese women (mostly daughters of well-to-do elites) refuse to marry and have babies with Chinese men. When they marry foreign men, they demand no bride price, but when approach by their Chinese counterparts, they demand exorbitant bride price in the name of "feminism". This social phenomenon (call it gender war, if you like) is arguably impossible to fix.
5. While the government hopes to resuscitate the collapsing birth rate, there are little mechanism in place to support pregnant women, and single mothers and fathers. Of course this can relatively easy to fix by increasing welfare coverage.
6. All of these problems, along with others, are making people extremely social darwinian in their beliefs. If you lose your job or your company get driven out of business, nobody would sympathize with you since it is "natural selection" of the fittest.
7. The richest people all try to transfer their assets abroad with the hope to tax avoidance. If you think American companies and Wall Street are kings of tax avoidance, you need to travel to Shanghai and actually talk to Shanghai business elites.

All of them are China's persistent vulnerabilities. Should China undergo democratic transitions, these issues could easily derail the transition and turn the country upside down.
You're being overly dramatic. Xi is not going to leave without setting up a competent successor by extensive consultation and building of consensus throughout China's political spectrum. It will be someone who clearly sets China's priorities, future vision, commands respect, and able to enforce discipline like Xi himself.
Frankly, the most concerning thing I see in China's politics is the age of the leadership. If you look at the central committee (and especially the provincial party chiefs), you barely find anyone below the age of 60. It's good that Xi has increasingly empowered scientific technocrats but China urgently needs young leaders.
 

fishrubber99

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To be honest, I am quite pessimistic. It is hard to predict what will come after Xi. Xi's problems are all well-known, so I am not going to repeat them here, but he somehow managed to prevent the ship from sinking. The judgement day for China as a whole could arrive on the day he retires or passes away in office. He has concentrated so much power in his own hands that his sudden disappearance could lead to lots of uncertainty. That's when you see groups like Shanghai-based financial fat cats (often sons and daughters of well-connected party elites), "liberal" intellectuals, journalists, radical feminists, and other so-called "liberals" within the CCP ganging up against the Xi establishment currently comprised of the military industrial complex, scientists, telecommunication giants, other national security organs, etc. There will likely be a country-wide power struggle and very chaotic street-level violence like Hong Kong in 2019, as both sides (or multiple sides) try to stir-up protesters on their behalf. And of course, you will surely have foreign interventions in the forms of back money and intelligence operations. Even fools would know that the financial fat cats in China would collude with foreign intelligence services and MNCs to limit the power of the CCP to point where those fat cats could continue to exploit the cheap labour in China whilst not paying their tax. God know what would happen when it all ends.

On the side note, something extremely sick is going on with people's values in China nowadays:
1. Middle class Chinese are now spending massive amount of money to try to cross into the U.S. via Mexico, risking everything despite absolutely no guarantee of being able to find a job in the U.S.
2. 996 work culture persists despite labor law clearly making it illegal. With the 996 work culture, employees are burnt out and have no family time at all. In other words, both employers and employees are violating the labor laws just to squeeze the last bits of pennies in cut-throat competitions. Current labour laws are literally impossible to implement since EVERYONE is violating them.
3. Toxic competition and back stabbings in both academic and professional settings called 内卷.
4. Urban young Chinese women (mostly daughters of well-to-do elites) refuse to marry and have babies with Chinese men. When they marry foreign men, they demand no bride price, but when approach by their Chinese counterparts, they demand exorbitant bride price in the name of "feminism". This social phenomenon (call it gender war, if you like) is arguably impossible to fix.
5. While the government hopes to resuscitate the collapsing birth rate, there are little mechanism in place to support pregnant women, and single mothers and fathers. Of course this can relatively easy to fix by increasing welfare coverage.
6. All of these problems, along with others, are making people extremely social darwinian in their beliefs. If you lose your job or your company get driven out of business, nobody would sympathize with you since it is "natural selection" of the fittest.
7. The richest people all try to transfer their assets abroad with the hope to tax avoidance. If you think American companies and Wall Street are kings of tax avoidance, you need to travel to Shanghai and actually talk to Shanghai business elites.

All of them are China's persistent vulnerabilities. Should China undergo democratic transitions, these issues could easily derail the transition and turn the country upside down.

all of your points are either exaggerated (1. I don't see how 30k Chinese nationals who crossed the border are all middle class, or could represent the total 400 million number of middleclass Chinese), exist in other capitalist market economies (2., 3., 5. the 996 of Americans working in
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The only thing you could argue is exclusive to China are wedding dowries,
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These are definitely real problems, but there's no indication that any of them pose an existential threat to the course of the country's development or they're not able to be addressed given policy support and time. If they were to pose an existential threat to China, then you could make an argument that they pose an existential threat to most countries in the world since 内卷 is basically just a product of capitalist economics (which practically every country practices at the moment) producing conditions for employment competition.
 

Jono

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You're being overly dramatic. Xi is not going to leave without setting up a competent successor by extensive consultation and building of consensus throughout China's political spectrum. It will be someone who clearly sets China's priorities, future vision, commands respect, and able to enforce discipline like Xi himself.
Frankly, the most concerning thing I see in China's politics is the age of the leadership. If you look at the central committee (and especially the provincial party chiefs), you barely find anyone below the age of 60. It's good that Xi has increasingly empowered scientific technocrats but China urgently needs young leaders.
China's political leaders have to climb a rigorously assessed and monitored meritocratic ladder, and only the best among the officials can reach the upper and top echelon of the CPC.
a young promising official starts at the county level, and rises progressively through major city and then provincial level and by the time he or she reaches the upper rung, he or she has reached a certain age. the process takes time for the official to gain administrative experience, it is as it is, no short-cut is possible.
 

henrik

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all of your points are either exaggerated (1. I don't see how 30k Chinese nationals who crossed the border are all middle class, or could represent the total 400 million number of middleclass Chinese), exist in other capitalist market economies (2., 3., 5. the 996 of Americans working in
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The only thing you could argue is exclusive to China are wedding dowries,
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.

These are definitely real problems, but there's no indication that any of them pose an existential threat to the course of the country's development or they're not able to be addressed given policy support and time. If they were to pose an existential threat to China, then you could make an argument that they pose an existential threat to most countries in the world since 内卷 is basically just a product of capitalist economics (which practically every country practices at the moment) producing conditions for employment competition.

Indians crossing into the US and trying to infiltrate into every other country would indicate big problems in India instead.
 
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