J-10 Thread IV

Deino

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If fact I didn't notice so far: the formation lights on J-10C fighters have been changed. Top, the new one on a J-10C assigned to the NTC, bottom an older J-10C.

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And it seems, only Batch 07 J-10Cs - including those used by the "Ba Yi" - and the PAF J-10CEs have these new ones.

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走近哈佛 from Weibo & J-10CE image via @RanaSuhaibphoto / @snapperscrew )

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siegecrossbow

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If fact I didn't notice so far: the formation lights on J-10C fighters have been changed. Top, the new one on a J-10C assigned to the NTC, bottom an older J-10C.

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And it seems, only Batch 07 J-10Cs - including those used by the "Ba Yi" - and the PAF J-10CEs have these new ones.

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I think it is a part of an effort to standardize formation lights on newly produced PLAAF fighter aircraft. Even the AL-31 equipped J-20 in the 9th brigade started switching from three to two lights.
 

by78

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Some nice images for mid-week.

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plawolf

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We do have reports of at least some J-10As being upgraded with AESA radar. So that might not be an issue.
What could be an issue is the avionics, electronic warfare, and the helmet sight.
With the upgrade of the F-16V you basically get a similar radar range to that in the Su-35 but in a fighter with only 1 meter sq RCS. So I wouldn't underestimate these planes. The PRC still has the advantage of course. More high end platforms, long range missiles, better training. But the bog standard J-10A doesn't cut it anymore.

This isn’t some DCS matchup where fighters go solo head to head. While individual airframe performance is by no means unimportant, in the modern world of highly complexed networked battlespace, it isn’t decisive by any stretch.

Even F35s are vulnerable to long range detection by PLAAF AWACS, never mind legacy aircraft.

In a real war scenario, J10As can and probably will get first shoot on F16Vs thanks to offboard sensor support and vectoring, maybe even co-operative engagement too. But realistically it’s unlikely that J10As will get the chance to go after F16s since there are plenty of better predators within the PLAAF order of battle who will go first.

Instead what J10As will be very good at is air patrols of less contested zones and highly mobile anti-missile defence to catch any LO cruise missiles that might slip past the main lines or come from unusual vectors to try to sneak through.

It would be a waste to task J16s or J20s for such missions, but as the Russian experience is proving, it’s not something you can afford to skimp on if you don’t want to risk big expensive things getting blown up in your rear.
 

siegecrossbow

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This isn’t some DCS matchup where fighters go solo head to head. While individual airframe performance is by no means unimportant, in the modern world of highly complexed networked battlespace, it isn’t decisive by any stretch.

Even F35s are vulnerable to long range detection by PLAAF AWACS, never mind legacy aircraft.

In a real war scenario, J10As can and probably will get first shoot on F16Vs thanks to offboard sensor support and vectoring, maybe even co-operative engagement too. But realistically it’s unlikely that J10As will get the chance to go after F16s since there are plenty of better predators within the PLAAF order of battle who will go first.

Instead what J10As will be very good at is air patrols of less contested zones and highly mobile anti-missile defence to catch any LO cruise missiles that might slip past the main lines or come from unusual vectors to try to sneak through.

It would be a waste to task J16s or J20s for such missions, but as the Russian experience is proving, it’s not something you can afford to skimp on if you don’t want to risk big expensive things getting blown up in your rear.

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ROCAF research paper claims they can get exchange ratio of 3.52:1 against J-10C and 1.5:1 against the J-16. On the plus side not even they are delusional enough to include J-20 in the simulation unlike a certain super power.
 

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ROCAF research paper claims they can get exchange ratio of 3.52:1 against J-10C and 1.5:1 against the J-16. On the plus side not even they are delusional enough to include J-20 in the simulation unlike a certain super power.
Did PLAAF have AEW in their scenario? Doesn't seem like it.
Pretty big handicap if so.
 
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