J-10 Thread IV

antiterror13

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I think all the Taiwanese F-16s were upgraded. New radar and avionics. So unless the J-10A has been upgraded as well it will be inferior.

Thats true, but not sure how much you can upgrade from very very old F-16A/B series in 80s and at that time the Taiwanese F-16 is less advanced. I think J-10A with KJ-500 can compete with them
 

gelgoog

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We do have reports of at least some J-10As being upgraded with AESA radar. So that might not be an issue.
What could be an issue is the avionics, electronic warfare, and the helmet sight.
With the upgrade of the F-16V you basically get a similar radar range to that in the Su-35 but in a fighter with only 1 meter sq RCS. So I wouldn't underestimate these planes. The PRC still has the advantage of course. More high end platforms, long range missiles, better training. But the bog standard J-10A doesn't cut it anymore.
 

TK3600

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We do have reports of at least some J-10As being upgraded with AESA radar. So that might not be an issue.
What could be an issue is the avionics, electronic warfare, and the helmet sight.
With the upgrade of the F-16V you basically get a similar radar range to that in the Su-35 but in a fighter with only 1 meter sq RCS. So I wouldn't underestimate these planes. The PRC still has the advantage of course. More high end platforms, long range missiles, better training. But the bog standard J-10A doesn't cut it anymore.
I think J-10A is still good for less intensive fronts in the west against India, freeing up high end platform vs US.
 
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Blitzo

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Ba Yi team back home now, 5 hour 4000 km non-stop flight back to China with YY-20 refueling support:


That's a fairly reasonable "self deployment" capability for a single tanker and 7x J-10s.

Even with YY-20 being not exactly the most optimal large tanker in the world (or even the most optimal potential tanker based on a Y-20 airframe!) the demonstration here of showing strategic mobility is fairly impressive (or increasing combat radius, or increasing endurance/time on station equivalent).



Damn it PAF give those poor things a friggin break lol. If you work them like work horse that’s fine. But you are working them like friggin mules.

To be fair I think they aren't actually exercising them in a particularly vigorous manner; this should all be fairly standard training. They're just a bit more proactive about sharing footage relative to the PLAAF.
 

Gloire_bb

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That's a fairly reasonable "self deployment" capability for a single tanker and 7x J-10s.
Self-deployement iirc refers to unassisted deployment?

To be fair I think they aren't actually exercising them in a particularly vigorous manner; this should all be fairly standard training. They're just a bit more proactive about sharing footage relative to the PLAAF.
Well, PAF has long held the reputation of being the most proficient AF in the Muslim world (both them and Indians being held in rather high regard).
 

Blitzo

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Self-deployement iirc refers to unassisted deployment?

Yes, in this case the "unassisted" is being able to deploy to the location of interest without needing to make any stops, and (I assume) having the equipment and personnel of August 1 in the single package (the J-10s and YY-20).
 

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A small surprise, but here a Batch 00 J-10A - AFAIK these are the LRIP aircraft - with the construction number cn. J100005 has been seen.

Unfortunately I have no clue where or which unit it belongs to.

(Images via @太湖军I名 from Weibo)

J-10A cn. 0005 - 太湖军I名 - 1.jpg
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phrozenflame

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We do have reports of at least some J-10As being upgraded with AESA radar. So that might not be an issue.
What could be an issue is the avionics, electronic warfare, and the helmet sight.
With the upgrade of the F-16V you basically get a similar radar range to that in the Su-35 but in a fighter with only 1 meter sq RCS. So I wouldn't underestimate these planes. The PRC still has the advantage of course. More high end platforms, long range missiles, better training. But the bog standard J-10A doesn't cut it anymore.
1 meter sq RCS F-16 (F-16 flying with no weapons payload) is just wasting fuel and not a threat to anyone.
 
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