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Nikki Haley is definitely everyone worst nightmare. Xi would just treats Nikki as how he treated Trudeau as amateur that pretended to be tough.
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is expanding her plan to combat the threat from communist China -- including a pledge to roll back Biden-era green energy mandates, which she says are a giveaway to Beijing.

Haley has called for years for the U.S. to be more aggressive in combating the threat from Beijing and in June called for a fundamental change in the U.S. outlook to the threat from the East.

On Monday, her campaign is announcing the expansion of that strategy both in terms of
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and changing policies she believes are aiding the geopolitical foe.

At the top of the list is a call to end green energy mandates implemented by the Biden administration to transition off from fossil fuels and
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, which Haley and other critics argue are dominated by China and Chinese companies.


If elected president, Haley would end the mandates, as well as related subsidies. She also calls for a ban on states and cities from using federal taxpayer money to purchase Chinese tech -- including drones used by police and emergency services, which are often made in China. She would also
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, while replacing Chinese tech with that made in the U.S.


A Haley administration would also combat Chinese involvement in the U.S. fentanyl crisis -- illicit fentanyl is made in Mexico using Chinese precursors and moved across the border. DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas recently said China
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for its role in the crisis.

Specifically, she would block Chinese instant messaging and payment apps used between Chinese and Mexican criminals and end loopholes in U.S. customs rules.

Meanwhile, in the wake of the Chinese balloon fiasco -- in which the Chinese sent a surveillance balloon across the U.S. before it was eventually shot down by the administration -- Haley is calling for the U.S. to pull out of the Scientific and Technological Cooperation. The partnership will soon expire, but could be renewed by the administration. Haley’s campaign cites a 2018 project that cooperated on launching weather balloons as an example of how the collaboration could be used by the Chinese.

Haley’s expanded plan also calls for anti-China sanctions to remain in place, citing reported delays by the Biden administration on human rights-related sanctions and a potential deal regarding fentanyl that would see sanctions lifted. Haley’s plan rules out any such softening.

"Americans want a president who will lead from a position of strength—not weakness," campaign spokesman Ken Farnaso told Fox News Digital. "Nikki Haley is the strongest and most vocal candidate in this race confronting Beijing’s many crimes and atrocities. She is China’s worst nightmare, and Xi Jinping knows it."

The plan is in line with Haley’s hawkish stance toward Beijing. Her June speech called for increased military ties with regional allies including Japan and South Korea, greater assistance to Taiwan as well as blocking exports to China, a ban on Chinese lobbying in the U.S. and a revocation of normal trade relations if the fentanyl crisis continues.

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taken aim at the administration for allegedly being too soft on China, and last week passed a bill that would block DHS from using drones at the southern border made in China.

Haley had tackled China on the world stage when she served as U.N. ambassador during the Trump administration. Since then, she has remained outspoken on China, calling for the U.S. to ban TikTok and to boycott the Olympics in Beijing, while blasting corporations who do business with Chinese for hypocrisy on their stances on human rights.
She seems to present an opportunity for China to inflame Mexico US tensions.

After the move in Ukraine, this has a high probability of being China's next step, if US and Mexico will provide the right preconditions.

If the Ukraine war is a major boon to China, the Mexico war will be an even greater gift. Sure, the Mexicans might not be able to fight that well, but the cartels will infiltrate America using local corruption, creating a never ending insurgency. To occupy Mexico, massive organization will be needed, and the new puppet regime will likely be just as unstable as the old one.

The "beautiful sights" brought by America to irrelevant third world nations will soon be brought by China back to the places the west calls their homes... Europe first, and then we will see about North America.
 

Sardaukar20

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It is exactly this Indian attitude that keeps the nation underdeveloped. Too many announcements, too much talking, too much pre-celebrating, and too little actual work done.

Lets say that the West gives India 7nm chip technology today. I believe that India will still continue producing 7nm chips 10 years later. Because India does not have foundational semiconductor technology. The oligarchs are gonna control the biggest semicon foundries anyway, and they will care so much more about profits than innovation. Why care about R&D when India assumes it could con the West of next technology?

India just wants a chip industry to poke China in the eye. And then what? Export only? India has no tech industry that is comparable to anything in East Asia. Where are the Indian laptop makers, smartphone makers, IOT makers, drone makers, server makers, etc? If they even exist, are they competitive globally? How many of the top international electronics companies are producing their stuff in India? Apple sure comes to mind, but their India adventure is not going to plan.

India has no comprehensive national industrial plan. Everything it does is about screwing China. India is so busy announcing its semiconductor project, make in India, Modi's supapowa vision, blah x 3. But what is being done on the ground to setup India for that future supadupa development? Education is going down, R&D budget is pitiful, and foreign firms are leaving India as fast as they are coming in.

The Kaveri engine program summarizes how well India develops high technology. Years back, Indians were celebrating it, and laughing at the Chinese WS engine development. Today, the Kaveri engine program is a confirmed failure. Now the Indians have conveniently forgotten about it. They are instead celebrating their supposedly upcoming "Make in India" GE F404 engine. An engine that they can never produce without GE's support. While China is on its way to introducing it's own upcoming WS-15 engine. This is the difference between India and China.
Following up with this. If India was serious about becoming "the next China". What it is doing today is just so wrong. In a way, how India is competing with China today is like how the Soviets used to compete with the US. Trying to compete in the big and glamourous things, but neglecting to take care of the basic stuff. India is kinda like a lousy version of Russia today. Both can make rockets to send satellites into space, but both cannot produce decent TV sets.

If India wants to become an industrial powerhouse, it first needs to forget about screwing China. Instead of trying to create a new semiconductor industry to rival China, India should have perfected the basics first. India should have already started developing its light industries first. India should have already become a top producer of mugs, toys, stationaries, trinkets, etc. Leverage on the massive under-educated workforce and empower the small businesses to grow and prosper. Later on, when India starts to take a larger share of household goods production in the global market, then India can use its new wealth to build the next industrial stages. Medium industry, heavy industry, and then the service industry to service all that hard industry. This is how the East Asian nations, Bangladesh, and Vietnam have been developing. China in the 1980s was not trying to compete with Japan in the consumer electronics market. China had just focused on producing stuff that Japan doesn't want to produce anymore. Like all those humble household items. China's world-beating industry today was never made overnight. Before China had DJI, China was for more than 20 years, producing toys for the world market. So when DJI appeared, and wanted to make Quadcopters drones, it can easily find local suppliers for brushless DC electric motors, molded plastics, and electronics.

India instead had been jumping all over the place. India spent a lot of effort to develop and market its pharma and IT services industry in 1990s and 2000s. It's hard industry was ok, but hardly comparable to East Asia. It was basically taking advantage of some niche demand in the global market, but it had thought too highly of itself. India in the 2000s boasted about its English-speaking IT professionals, while laughing at China for only knowing how to produce "cheap junk"; as if it was already "more developed" than China.

Then in the Modi era, India suddenly wanted to compete with China in manufacturing, because the West hyped India up as the "next China". Suddenly, India had all these wild fantasies to rival, overtake, and step on China. Yet India aimed too high, while neglecting the step-by-step development of its national industries. India aimed for the glamourous things, like Tata Nano, Jio 5G, iPhone, and HAL Tejas. There are no established, and competent supply chains in India to support these industries. So for example, Tata wants to assemble iPhones, but who in India have the years of experience in manufacturing Apple-spec PCBs? Who in India can produce Apple-quality plastic casings? And not just produce these components, but produce lots of them with world-standard minimal defect rates. That is why Tata have to import components from China, negating the cost benefits of manufacturing in India. Can India build that supply chain? Sure, but it won't be ready by tomorrow. Nevertheless, India still likes to tell Apple to just "Jugaad" (make do). "Jugaad for 3 years sir! India will make it in 3 years time. I promise!". Question is, should Apple wait for 3 years when it already has China today?

India should have learned to walk before it learns to run. But instead, it currently wants to compete in a 400m race, when it had barely learned to walk.
 
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james smith esq

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India doesn't need any encouragement at all. India will develop according to its envy of China. But the biggest irony today, is that the biggest impediment to India's development is actually India itself. The Indian people deserve better off course, but they need to reform themselves first into a serious people. This will be impossible with the current trajectory of India and its BJP leadership.
Leadership is only as ‘bad’ as “followers“ tolerate; accountability starts with the masses. Domesticated humans make for poor change-agents. This is true everywhere; Bread and Circuses!
 
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james smith esq

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Following up with this. If India was serious about becoming "the next China". What it is doing today is just so wrong. In a way, how India is competing with China today is like how the Soviets used to compete with the US. Trying to compete in the big and glamourous things. But neglecting to take care of the basic stuff. India is kinda like a lousy version of Russia today. Both can make rockets to send satellites into space, but both cannot produce decent TV sets.

If India wants to become an industrial powerhouse, it first needs to forget about screwing China. Instead of trying to create a new semiconductor industry to rival China, India should have perfected the basics first. India should have already started developing its light industries first. India should have already become a top producer of mugs, toys, stationaries, trinkets, etc. Leverage on the massive under-educated workforce and empower the small businesses to grow and prosper. Later on, when India starts to take a larger share of household goods production in the global market, then India can use its new wealth to build the next industrial stages. Medium industry, heavy industry, and then the service industry to service all that hard industry. This is how the East Asian nations, Bangladesh, and Vietnam have been developing. China in the 1980s was not trying to compete with Japan in the consumer electronics market. China had just focused on producing stuff that Japan doesn't want to produce anymore. Like all those humble household items. China's world-beating industry today was never made overnight. Before China had DJI, China was for more than 20 years, producing toys for the world market. So when DJI appeared, and wanted to make Quadcopters drones, it can easily find local suppliers for brushless DC electric motors, molded plastics, and electronics.

India instead had been jumping all over the place. India spent a lot of effort to develop and market its pharma and IT services industry in 1990s and 2000s. It's hard industry was ok, but hardly comparable to East Asia. It was basically taking advantage of some niche demand in the global market, but it had thought too highly of itself. India in the 2000s boasted about its English-speaking IT professionals, while laughing at China for only knowing how to produce "cheap junk"; as if it was already "more developed" than China.

Then in the Modi era, India suddenly wanted to compete with China in manufacturing, because the West hyped India up as the "next China". Suddenly, India had all these wild fantasies to rival, overtake, and step on China. Yet India aimed too high, while neglecting the step-by-step development of its national industries. India aimed for the glamourous things, like Tata Nano, Jio 5G, iPhone, and HAL Tejas. There are no established, and competent supply chains in India to support these industries. So for example, Tata wants to assemble iPhones, but who in India have the years of experience in manufacturing Apple-spec PCBs? Who in India can produce Apple-quality plastic casings? And not just produce these components, but produce lots of them with world-standard minimal defect rates. That is why Tata have to import components from China, negating the cost benefits of manufacturing in India. Can India build that supply chain? Sure, but it won't be ready by tomorrow. Nevertheless, India still likes to tell Apple to just "Jugaad" (make do). "Jugaad for 3 years sir! India will make it in 3 years time. I promise!". Question is, should Apple wait for 3 years when it already has China today?

India should have learned to walk before it learns to run. But instead, it currently wants to compete in a 400m race, when it had barely learned to walk.
What India produces, more than the rest of the world, combined, is malnourished and under-educated children; and, that is tragic.
If they want to replicate China’s success, they should start with a “One Child Policy”!
 
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Following up with this. If India was serious about becoming "the next China". What it is doing today is just so wrong. In a way, how India is competing with China today is like how the Soviets used to compete with the US. Trying to compete in the big and glamourous things, but neglecting to take care of the basic stuff. India is kinda like a lousy version of Russia today. Both can make rockets to send satellites into space, but both cannot produce decent TV sets.

If India wants to become an industrial powerhouse, it first needs to forget about screwing China. Instead of trying to create a new semiconductor industry to rival China, India should have perfected the basics first. India should have already started developing its light industries first. India should have already become a top producer of mugs, toys, stationaries, trinkets, etc. Leverage on the massive under-educated workforce and empower the small businesses to grow and prosper. Later on, when India starts to take a larger share of household goods production in the global market, then India can use its new wealth to build the next industrial stages. Medium industry, heavy industry, and then the service industry to service all that hard industry. This is how the East Asian nations, Bangladesh, and Vietnam have been developing. China in the 1980s was not trying to compete with Japan in the consumer electronics market. China had just focused on producing stuff that Japan doesn't want to produce anymore. Like all those humble household items. China's world-beating industry today was never made overnight. Before China had DJI, China was for more than 20 years, producing toys for the world market. So when DJI appeared, and wanted to make Quadcopters drones, it can easily find local suppliers for brushless DC electric motors, molded plastics, and electronics.

India instead had been jumping all over the place. India spent a lot of effort to develop and market its pharma and IT services industry in 1990s and 2000s. It's hard industry was ok, but hardly comparable to East Asia. It was basically taking advantage of some niche demand in the global market, but it had thought too highly of itself. India in the 2000s boasted about its English-speaking IT professionals, while laughing at China for only knowing how to produce "cheap junk"; as if it was already "more developed" than China.

Then in the Modi era, India suddenly wanted to compete with China in manufacturing, because the West hyped India up as the "next China". Suddenly, India had all these wild fantasies to rival, overtake, and step on China. Yet India aimed too high, while neglecting the step-by-step development of its national industries. India aimed for the glamourous things, like Tata Nano, Jio 5G, iPhone, and HAL Tejas. There are no established, and competent supply chains in India to support these industries. So for example, Tata wants to assemble iPhones, but who in India have the years of experience in manufacturing Apple-spec PCBs? Who in India can produce Apple-quality plastic casings? And not just produce these components, but produce lots of them with world-standard minimal defect rates. That is why Tata have to import components from China, negating the cost benefits of manufacturing in India. Can India build that supply chain? Sure, but it won't be ready by tomorrow. Nevertheless, India still likes to tell Apple to just "Jugaad" (make do). "Jugaad for 3 years sir! India will make it in 3 years time. I promise!". Question is, should Apple wait for 3 years when it already has China today?

India should have learned to walk before it learns to run. But instead, it currently wants to compete in a 400m race, when it had barely learned to walk.
Not just that, Russia did not neglect basics because it was arrogant or stupid, but because it's development was interrupted by WW2 and immediately after got cut off from global markets.

Pre WW2, Russia got its industrial start im petrochemicals and vehicles like tractors. The first thing they wanted to do was very basic: replace horse plows and manure with tractors and chemical fertilizer. It could produce mass amounts of T-37s and Mosin Nagants in WW2 because they had tractor factories that spit out motor vehicles and machines components like nothing.

India today still relies on horse and cow plows, and manure.
 

james smith esq

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Nikki Haley is definitely everyone worst nightmare. Xi would just treats Nikki as how he treated Trudeau as amateur that pretended to be tough.
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is expanding her plan to combat the threat from communist China -- including a pledge to roll back Biden-era green energy mandates, which she says are a giveaway to Beijing.

Haley has called for years for the U.S. to be more aggressive in combating the threat from Beijing and in June called for a fundamental change in the U.S. outlook to the threat from the East.

On Monday, her campaign is announcing the expansion of that strategy both in terms of
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and changing policies she believes are aiding the geopolitical foe.

At the top of the list is a call to end green energy mandates implemented by the Biden administration to transition off from fossil fuels and
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, which Haley and other critics argue are dominated by China and Chinese companies.


If elected president, Haley would end the mandates, as well as related subsidies. She also calls for a ban on states and cities from using federal taxpayer money to purchase Chinese tech -- including drones used by police and emergency services, which are often made in China. She would also
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, while replacing Chinese tech with that made in the U.S.


A Haley administration would also combat Chinese involvement in the U.S. fentanyl crisis -- illicit fentanyl is made in Mexico using Chinese precursors and moved across the border. DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas recently said China
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for its role in the crisis.

Specifically, she would block Chinese instant messaging and payment apps used between Chinese and Mexican criminals and end loopholes in U.S. customs rules.

Meanwhile, in the wake of the Chinese balloon fiasco -- in which the Chinese sent a surveillance balloon across the U.S. before it was eventually shot down by the administration -- Haley is calling for the U.S. to pull out of the Scientific and Technological Cooperation. The partnership will soon expire, but could be renewed by the administration. Haley’s campaign cites a 2018 project that cooperated on launching weather balloons as an example of how the collaboration could be used by the Chinese.

Haley’s expanded plan also calls for anti-China sanctions to remain in place, citing reported delays by the Biden administration on human rights-related sanctions and a potential deal regarding fentanyl that would see sanctions lifted. Haley’s plan rules out any such softening.

"Americans want a president who will lead from a position of strength—not weakness," campaign spokesman Ken Farnaso told Fox News Digital. "Nikki Haley is the strongest and most vocal candidate in this race confronting Beijing’s many crimes and atrocities. She is China’s worst nightmare, and Xi Jinping knows it."

The plan is in line with Haley’s hawkish stance toward Beijing. Her June speech called for increased military ties with regional allies including Japan and South Korea, greater assistance to Taiwan as well as blocking exports to China, a ban on Chinese lobbying in the U.S. and a revocation of normal trade relations if the fentanyl crisis continues.

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taken aim at the administration for allegedly being too soft on China, and last week passed a bill that would block DHS from using drones at the southern border made in China.

Haley had tackled China on the world stage when she served as U.N. ambassador during the Trump administration. Since then, she has remained outspoken on China, calling for the U.S. to ban TikTok and to boycott the Olympics in Beijing, while blasting corporations who do business with Chinese for hypocrisy on their stances on human rights.
What else would we expect from a ‘Kanpurian Candidate’?
 

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BBC News - Hangzhou Zoo: Our sun bears are real, not humans in disguise
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FFS, another smear by BBC. The headline makes people think the zoo has something to hide, but if you read the article to the very end, an expert asked by BBC confirmed the photos are of a real bear. But as usual the trick is to spread fake news in disguise since most people don't read the full article, how ironic.
 

KYli

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What else would we expect from a ‘Kanpurian Candidate’?
If it were just one Republican candidate, we can say it is due to her self interests. However, every Republicans are using the same playbook. However, I don't know how they plan to defeat Trump by out MAGA Trump when in fact the strategy has proven to be counterintuitive.

Although, except Desantis and a couple anti-Trump candidates, I suspect Nikki and a few others just vie for the candidacy to secure a position in the future Trump's administration.
 

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Trying to compete in the big and glamourous things, but neglecting to take care of the basic stuff. India is kinda like a lousy version of Russia today. Both can make rockets to send satellites into space, but both cannot produce decent TV sets.
You write much without knowing nothing and why certain things in Soviet Union and Post Soviet times were done.
TV set is very minor tech. Ask Samsung and the rest of Koreans what they learn from Russians in 1990s. thats the reason latest gadgets of Samsung are in the store.
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Than there is certain things that are not officially stated but Putin keep alluding to it that Russian muslims have played important role in Russian military victories since Russian empire. so basically these are all Islamic lands. I have much more material on that topic but i am not putting here. That is pulling out people and ultimately will be redrawing the borders for the entire Soviet space or dismantling countries.
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Once you are in that religion than the interests of Arabs are far above as courtesy. and you never know what kind of exclusive products trade arrangements Arabs have with Japan and Korea. so certain segment of population will have to adopt to those products.

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