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FairAndUnbiased

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I know where you are coming from. China for a long time sucked at media department. The shift is very recent. Tiktok is the biggest breakthrough. Genshin and Honkai are two other breakthrough. I can't say if that qualify as a cultural superpower, but owning a top of the line international short video app is a big deal, as well as having 2 top tier mobile games.

Tiktok certainly deserves a mention due to how internationally renouned it is.

I dont think China is US and Japan level yet, but it is showing signs of overtaking. Like 2008 China economy and US economy same vibe.

And that means Chinese media certainly is above India to say the least. Both overall earning and international prestige.

There was only a small dip in the late 2000's and early 2010's, but even that was countered by the rise of Chinese animation in 2015. Prior to that, Chinese kung fu movies were the highest grossing foreign films in the US and had rave reviews from US critics. It only became politically incorrect to like Chinese movies after 2008 or so. Example from 2000:

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Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was widely acclaimed in the Western world, receiving numerous awards. On
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, the film holds an approval rating of 98% based on 168 reviews, with an average rating of 8.6/10. The site's critical consensus states: "The movie that catapulted Ang Lee into the ranks of upper echelon Hollywood filmmakers, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon features a deft mix of amazing martial arts battles, beautiful scenery, and tasteful drama."
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reported the film had an average score of 94 out of 100, based on 32 reviews, indicating "universal acclaim".
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Its 99.9% political extremism and racism against Chinese that drives the absurd claim that China has no soft power. Its just a fact that until white people admit they like a Chinese media product, many diaspora Asians are scared to like it.
 

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I know where you are coming from. China for a long time sucked at media department. The shift is very recent. Tiktok is the biggest breakthrough. Genshin and Honkai are two other breakthrough. I can't say if that qualify as a cultural superpower, but owning a top of the line international short video app is a big deal, as well as having 2 top tier mobile games.

Tiktok certainly deserves a mention due to how internationally renouned it is.

I dont think China is US and Japan level yet, but it is showing signs of overtaking. Like 2008 China economy and US economy same vibe.

And that means Chinese media certainly is above India to say the least. Both overall earning and international prestige.
Those accounts on Tiktok that exclusively broadcast Chinese cityscapes in a cyberpunk style are really something else lol. CPC propaganda department please take notes, this is how you increase soft power.
 
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Eventine

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The Chinese entertainment industry has historically had a lot of restrictions and problems. There is no question that this has limited China's "entertainment power." For instance, if games did not have to be approved by the government - which could decide to freeze new games approval for a year if the higher up politicians decided they didn't like kids playing games - there would be more investment, creativity, and faster development. Tons more young people would be willing to join the industry, and international success would be significantly improved.

But is it worth it? Does China actually want to be an entertainment super power? Historically, I don't think it did - the CCP, like the Soviet government, saw art as a vehicle for propaganda, and not a commercial industry. Further, I don't think the older generation of Chinese government officials actually knew how to achieve it, even when they decided it was important.

Chinese animation is probably the best example. China was a pioneer in animation outside the West. Princess Iron Fan came out just four years after Disney's Snow White - the first feature length animated film in history - and two years before Japan's first animated feature length film. The film actually inspired Osamu Tezuka, considered the "father of Japanese comics" - to take up comics, and also inspired the Japanese government to create their first animated film.

But what happened to the Chinese animation industry, after? The answer is that it was turned into a propaganda factory during the early years of CCP rule, and subsequently, during market reforms, it was left behind because, being a government sponsored effort, that generation of Chinese animators never had to make a "product" and so were totally not prepared to compete against the mature industries of the West and Japan, which subsequently flooded China with their products, creating the well-known phenomenon today of generations of Chinese kids growing up with anime and Western cartoons and imitating it.

Later, the Chinese government tried to revive the Chinese animation industry by restricting foreign animation on Chinese TV and throwing money at domestic creators. This is a similar strategy to what China did to catch up in manufacturing, but it largely failed to produce results until the rise of internet media companies. Why? Because entertainment is not manufacturing. You can't compete on price in an industry where people's time is the most valuable, and where piracy is rampant. People would just choose to pirate anime instead of supporting "cheap domestic animation." Building up an entertainment industry means investing in quality and content worth watching.

Fortunately, the rise of media platform companies injected much needed expertise into the industry. A new generation of product managers and creative leads who knew the field much better than the government officials managed to do what they could not: execute a successful generation skip into 3D TV animation - where China is now the leader - while also establishing the necessary talent search, development, and collaboration programs with Japan to grow the industrial base in traditional 2D. Chinese animation is still not where it wants to be, but it's now a close third behind Japan and the US.

The general lesson, though, is to be careful of what you ask for. The Chinese government has traditionally not been a great supporter of popular entertainment, and even more importantly, they have historically not had the skill set to support it properly. Entertainment, more so than any other industry, requires private, market oriented leadership. The best policy for a government is to provide funding for talent development, and then step aside. Entertainment power will come with time, as wealth increases and people start pursuing higher satisfactions than their basic needs. We're already seeing it happen in China, today, as a richer population begins to elevate their tastes and wallets. The government just needs to not be an obstacle.
 

BlackWindMnt

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Those accounts on Tiktok that exclusively broadcast Chinese cityscapes in a cyberpunk style are really something else lol. CPC propaganda department please take notes, this is how you increase soft power.
That is an impossible thing to ask bruh....

I think it will change a bit in like 2~3 years when travel to China has recovered a bit, when tourist start taking pictures and upload videos.
That will have some positive impact especially if the CPC is smart enough to make comparison content between US tent cities and Chinese tier 1 cities.

I do hope to visit China next summer.
 

pmc

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Tiktok certainly deserves a mention due to how internationally renouned it is.

I dont think China is US and Japan level yet, but it is showing signs of overtaking. Like 2008 China economy and US economy same vibe.

And that means Chinese media certainly is above India to say the least. Both overall earning and international prestige.
You are confusing Tiktok with soft power. Youtube, Instagram and Tiktoks are communication mediums. they by itself are not soft power. its the content inside that matters. If i use Tiktok to start singing in Chinese with no connection to China than it means it is soft power. but if i convince my whole family to start singing in Chinese with traditional cloths than that its real cultural influence. some soft power comes from religion like Ukraine is holy place for Jewish pilgrimage. what i was referring that Uzbek family music group. they earn it through Bollywood. if there is another family that only sing in Chinese that is good enough that it is invited to solo concerts that will be an example of cultural influence. when it reach certain level than Arabs invite for concerts and high paid advertisements. like this $1.5m for a night in 2012 and it get alot of exposure to wealthy people.
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Big news in the economics community this week. Turns out some of the world’s most reputable economists also turn out to be pieces of shit (to the surprise of no one) that have done things including but not exclusive to openly calling blacks the N word and calling for their genocide and calling Asians chinks and admitting to purposefully lowering the grades of Chinese students!

now they are crying about being doxxed and I say that all their identities should be exposed. Even if they’re exposed doubt the universities will do anything, though. Tenure is one the most disgustingly corrupt aspects of the American college system. For example, last week the president of Stanford got caught falsifying years of Alzheimer’s research (that was assumed to be monumentally important) and is resigning from the presidency to hide. But he’s remaining as faculty! Not even going to mention the other incidents of professors being racist and not being fired. Unless you sexually abuse a student tenure protects you from everything.
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Purposely lowering the grade of Mainland students while increasing the grade of TW and HK students.



I don't know what they're talking about, I don't follow nerd arguments very well. But if that's true then I'm not even surprised based on the policies they're pushing.
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ansy1968

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That is an impossible thing to ask bruh....

I think it will change a bit in like 2~3 years when travel to China has recovered a bit, when tourist start taking pictures and upload videos.
That will have some positive impact especially if the CPC is smart enough to make comparison content between US tent cities and Chinese tier 1 cities.

I do hope to visit China next summer.
Bro which place? I recommend you visit Kunming, Dali and Lijiang, I guarantee you will enjoy a relaxing trip. If you want to hike and enjoy mother nature then Zhangjiajie, Jiuzhaigou and the Rainbow mountain in Gansu (better and more beautiful than Antelope Canyon in Arizona). If you want to enjoy City life then nothing beat Chengdu, Chongqing, Guangzhou, Xiamen, Xian and Nanjing. I don't like Beijing and Shanghai, they're expensive and very stressful.
 

BlackWindMnt

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ooh god no salt when using a hashing algorithm especially one as old as SHA-1 to mask user identity thats a rookie mistake, this shit was well known in 2013 or so... Still its cool to see them geolocate posters on an anonymous forum.

Also once again economist get bent go learn a real science, they are just modern day tea leaves readers.

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azn_cyniq

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Who knew all it took for this forum's opinion to go from China needs to work on its soft power to China is a secret cultural superpower, was for me to well, express an opinion that even has its own thread and that most ardent Chinese patriots can admit to.
The way you put words in the mouths of others in quite impressive. Who on this forum is claiming that China is a secret cultural superpower? I, and many others on here, have always maintained that China really needs to work on its soft power. That doesn't mean that I can't acknowledge recent Chinese successes like TikTok and Genshin Impact. Like it or not, an app that has been downloaded billions of times outside of China and regularly features Chinese content is an example of Chinese soft power. Perhaps China as a whole hasn't caught up to countries like the US and Japan in the domain of entertainment, but good progress has been made.

To me, it sounds like you know nothing about the nature of the Chinese entertainment industry. "Patriotism" is not the reason Chinese movies make a lot of money. Chinese people are absolutely ruthless when it comes to bad Chinese productions. A bad Chinese movie will not last even a week in Chinese theaters. A bad Chinese drama will be bombarded on sites like Douban. This feedback loop has resulted in a steady increase in the quality of Chinese productions. Hollywood isn't just struggling because of anti-American sentiment. Chinese productions are simply better than they were before. In recent years, the Chinese film industry has produced stellar productions like The Longest Day in Chang'an and The Wandering Earth 2. This is coming from a Taiwanese-American cinephile who has watched much of the best that the west has to offer (I'm picky).

Parasite is great. I loved it. However, the fact that it generated a lot of discussion abroad doesn't mean much. Are the opinions of foreigners really worth more? Mediocre movies like Spider-Man: No Way Home and mediocre shows like Loki have high scores on IMDb. Oppenheimer, which is somewhat mediocre, has a score of 8.8 on IMDb. Squid Game is mediocre and it became a huge hit abroad. My point is, we shouldn't put the opinions of foreigners on a pedestal. Chinese people have just as much access to western entertainment as people from the rest of the world (just take a look at the top 250 list on Douban). As long as Chinese people are becoming more receptive to Chinese productions, and they are, China will be fine.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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ooh god no salt when using a hashing algorithm especially one as old as SHA-1 to mask user identity thats a rookie mistake, this shit was well known in 2013 or so... Still its cool to see them geolocate posters on an anonymous forum.

Also once again economist get bent go learn a real science, they are just modern day tea leaves readers.

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So in the old days tribal shamans would do a rain dance and chant for rain. they say that if it rains, it means the rain dance worked, and if it didn't rain, it means they need to dance even harder.

Kind of like how giving corporations money is good, and if something bad happens, it means the corporations need even more money.
 
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