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Reporting for Al Jazeera from Moscow, Yulia Shapovalova said that Russia’s defence ministry issued a statement addressing all international ships travelling towards Ukrainian ports and stating that “at midnight, July the 20th, all ships sailing in the Black Sea and approaching Ukrainian ports will be considered carriers of military cargo involved in the Ukrainian conflict on the Kyiv side.”
 

antiterror13

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It was explicitly not China's objective to take cities. They just wanted to settle the border conflict and demilitarize Vietnam.

China also needed to showcase it's land forces, to show that if US or USSR invaded, China could make Korea happen again, or repel them to an even greater extent.

7000 irretrievable casualties to 60-100 000 is an absolute beating. It's a stronger performance than what Russia is doing in Ukraine.

If you doubt the numbers, there is irrefutable proof in that despite China being the attacking side in the notoriously unfriendly Vietnamese territory, China still took an order of magnitude more prisoners than Vietnam.

Ultimately, the war settled border disputes in China's favor, prevented Vietnam from expanding it's national power indefintely, and China showed that the spirit of Korea, the ability of the PLA to wreck larger forces through inventive tactics, was alive and well. And as such, neither the USSR or US dared to invade, despite tense moments such as the Taiwan strait crisis.

Also it was a great lesson for China to realise of needed to modernise the PLA .. you see the was still continue until 1988 in lesser extent and Vietnamese force lost almost all of them, especially in Navy

Agreed that it is a bitter experience for CHina but China achieved most of the objective as @Biscuits mentioned above

See what PLA looks like now compare to Vietnam's :p ;) ;)
 

FairAndUnbiased

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The Chinese part is prob not too reliable. No point thinking kitchen workers are less chinese than engineer chinese. In my experience, middle/upper class Canton/ Chinese/Hong Kongers Americans look down on mainlanders too.

Honestly, I think many Chinese people have enough sense to answer the poll in a politcally safe manner for self preservation under the current atmosphere. I wouldn't admit any pro-china views unless I am sure about the person or know the person is intelligent enough to understand geopolitics. If a american strangers or official sounding person on the phone ask me similar question... i would also agree " i love freedom fries and think the zzp is not that good"

People have to remember the majority of Chinese that are in the USA ran away from China during the dark periods of China. Heck, my family were landowner class and it didn't end well for them ;(. Even if they don't hate China today, they will always have some complex emotion towards the motherland.
HKers seriously don't have the capability to look down on mainlanders, especially when both are in the US. I mean they can, but it doesn't make anyone sad or mad, it only makes them laugh.
 

Eventine

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That is true especially since from what I've seen millenial ABCs across the board have very poor language skills, compared to Gen Z ABCs.
People who have lost their ability to speak Chinese can't really be considered Chinese in any practical sense. Loss of access to the language basically is loss of access to the entire culture and community. That said, I strongly disagree that they can, therefore, be considered American. The fact of the situation is that they're not Americans, either, because American identity is ultimately a white identity.

Such Chinese Americans are, like all racial minorities who have lost most of their heritage, neither Chinese nor American. That is the tragedy of who they are and the root of their identity crisis. Naturally, it is worse for men because they are actively ostracized by the white mainstream, as well as by their own women, who are more able to fit in and so are able to pretend that they're white. The end result is what you would refer to as self-hate - people who hate themselves, the country they came from, and the race they were born as.

It's quite sad.
 
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The fact of the situation is that they're not Americans, either, because American identity is ultimately a white identity.
I would argue against that. As a whole relative to most other societies, I do feel the US is about as close to a multicultural society as you can get. Sure, prejudice, racism, and inequity due to cultural or ethnic background will exist to some extent in any society, but in terms of general acceptance and treatment towards people of different culture/ethnicity and economic and social opportunities, I can think of few places where minorities have an easier time. Asian Americans in particular have it better than many other demographic groups within the US, and the average and median income/wealth of Asian Americans are the highest out of any group within the US.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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I would argue against that. As a whole relative to most other societies, I do feel the US is about as close to a multicultural society as you can get. Sure, prejudice, racism, and inequity due to cultural or ethnic background will exist to some extent in any society, but in terms of general acceptance and treatment towards people of different culture/ethnicity and economic and social opportunities, I can think of few places where minorities have an easier time. Asian Americans in particular have it better than many other demographic groups within the US, and the average and median income/wealth of Asian Americans are the highest out of any group within the US.
J ethnicity made the most money in Germany too. Chinese Indonesians made the most money in Indonesia too. What happened?
 
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