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H2O

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that's because Germans suffered cultural gen.o.cide. Germans have been in the US since the first wave of immigration in the 1600's and German was a major language up to 1914.
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In WW1,
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, but even then in WW2 some
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Yet in Germany itself today saying you are proud of being German makes people look at you like a Nazi.

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The Germans are not the only immigrants from Europe. Besides, these examples aren't the best because of the World Wars. It's expected that immigrants would face hardships when the host nation is involved in a war against your former homeland. I see the lack of nationalism in Germany as their way of atonement of past sins. However, you can't say that for everyone like
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living in the US.

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does a good job in illustrating what I was trying to convey in my previous posts.

In the article itself, "Frankel comments on how secular Judaism has contributed to the death of Yiddish and a simultaneous loss of traditional Jewish identity" and "many Jewish American Baby Boomers grew up speaking Yiddish at home, but dropped it—along with an Orthodox lifestyle—when they reached adulthood. Berger hypothesized that today's secular Jews just aren't that interested in speaking Yiddish."

Here's an anecdotal evidence of a former neighbor of mine. His grandkids tried to speak their former mother tongue but it was so atrocious that he told them to drop it.

This is what I was trying to convey in my previous post.


One thing that always baffles and amuses myself is the incessant whining America and the west make against China where it accuses if not forbids it's universities, hi-tech companies and any companies in general to work with the PLA and help strengthen the country's defense industries, know-how, and capabilities and yet we all know and aware the tight partnerships with American tech and other non-tech companies with the Pentagon since WWII that went on all throughout the cold war years and to this day. Yet, why can't Chinas own companies and now universities work with their own military?

It's just politics. Nothing more to it.
 
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Tbh I think it's a very accurate representative of my personal experiences. The sad truth is that Chinese Americans are mostly anti-China / anti-Chinese. Imagine being this mentally cucked. I think the views are also stratified along the lines of gender as Chinese men and women are treated extremely differently.




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However, Chinese-speakers are far more willing to return. This is part of the reason why preserving cultural and linguistic heritage is critical to resisting brainwashing.
Another important data point is Chinese Americans working in restaurants or retail tend to be more likely to view China unfavorably whereas the segment of Chinese Americans most likely to view China favorably tend to be working in science amd technology.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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to most of them, china is a foreign land. most have no connections at all and are mostly unable to speak the language based on my experience. in certain cases, they ditch their Chinese identity to assimilate into the local culture, some even go as far as to become self-haters in order to be accepted by their peers. I know a friend whose sibling turned out that way.


regarding the issues of language, it is very hard for these young diasporas to learn when they are being overwhelmed by non-chinese media 24/7. take Singapore as an example. the household might speak Chinese, but outside of it, in the schools, public, friend circles? most of the time it will be English or "Singlish". so at the end of the day no matter how hard the parents try there's a high chance the children will lose their ability to speak or even write as time go on, especially once they get out of JC/secondary school and they don't have to use it much. and then there's the case of fitting in and the want to be accepted by your peers.

I will give an example In my case. grew up in a Christian family, and went to a catholic primary school, then an extremely liberal and western leaning secondary education. was self-hating for the most part of my life until 2019 were I started to relearn the culture and language. now I'm getting branded as a traitor and "wumao". most of my friends circle I know all speak English despite being Chinese and they absolutely hate it when someone in our group tries to speak Chinese. once I tried to speak Chinese to this group and I got scolded for it. "this is Singapore, we are multi-racial, speak English".

to summarise it's the environment, if you aren't strong enough or have the will you are going to get swept away by the current.

so honestly, somewhat agree with this statement. I'm not saying all of us are like that, but most of the diasporas, might look Chinese, but in terms of culture and mindset they are anything but Chinese.


(of course, this is my own experience. some of you older guys might have different experiences)
I find it hilarious how Singaporeans have the opportunity, just like Chinese Malaysians, to choose the best of Chinese pop culture... and they dump it for Hollywood garbage.

It is like being offered chocolate, and dog shit, and picking the dog shit.
 

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Another important data point is Chinese Americans working in restaurants or retail tend to be more likely to view China unfavorably whereas the segment of Chinese Americans most likely to view China favorably tend to be working in science amd technology.
also a large number of Chinese Americans moved to the US in the 90s, 80s or earlier. All they know is a fairly poor and un-developed China and thats what they associate it with in their minds.
 

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Newly elected Mayor Olivia Chow waves to the crowd at council chambers during her Declaration of Office Ceremony, at Toronto City Hall on July 12, 2023. Photo by Tijana Martin /The Canadian Press


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The mayor still speaks English with that Chinglish accent from Hong Kong. Everyone likes Olivia.

:p
Honestly, I wouldn't get my hope up. It's not like she's bad or anything, but she is going to fight an uphill battle.

First of all, she is not serving a whole term, but the remainder of the previous mayor, who resigned in disgrace over extra-marital affair. Mind you, the real reason why he was even elected in the first place was that he was milquetoast enough to not really offend anybody and that he didn't smoke crack cocaine, and was re-elected because his main opponent that election basically entered last minute and had no preparation. What that means is that she has less time to plan and carry out her vision.

Aside from no full-term, she is operating in a completely hostile enviroment. Electorally, Toronto can be divided into two parts: the pre-amalgation City of Toronto and Borough of East York, which usually leans left to centre-left, and inner-suburban belt of Etobicoke, York, North York, and Scarborough, which usually leans centre-right. Since she is a New Democrat (social democracy to vaguely socialist party. Not that her political affiliation was on the ballot, but this is public knowledge), guess which part didn't actually vote for her? In addition to that, there is no left-wing (not even cenre-left) mainstream media in Canada anymore. That means everything she does will be under the microscope, that is assuming it's even done in good faith. For example, the infamous crack-smoking mayor actually held an event where he invited the Chinese consulate staffs and raised the Five-star Red Banner over Nathan Phillips Square (city hall) while playing "March of the Volunteers", for... I don't even know what. Business promotion? Tourism? While there were some eyebrow-raising, nothing bad really happened to him over that, all because he is right-wing good ol' Canadian boy who is down to earth. Imagine Olivia Chow doing the same thing. There would be all sort of sh*t like "CCP Agent" or "traitor" or "go back to China" or "ch*nk" flying around, not that she's actually pro-China, mind you. Even if she is, the optics would be totally dogsh*t were she to try something similar.

The most important thing, and the primary reason why I am not having high hope for her term, is that the current provincial government is completely hostile to Toronto. Remember the crack-smoking mayor? He has a brother, who is now the premier of Toronto Ontario, and he has a vendetta agaitst Toronto (specifically the city council). Now, the Supreme Court of Canada has reminded us that "cities are creatures of Provinces", which means a provincial goverrnment can do a lot of arbitrary things to a city without recourse, such as altering the rules for municipal election right before it actually began, or taking random stuff away from a city, etc. etc.. All it really requires is an act of provincial legislative assembly, and the city, and its populace, can do nothing about it.

Taken to its logical conclusion, it means our esteemed premier of Toronto Ontario can actually actually ignore the mayor and the city council completely. He could say something like:
Folks, the downtown elites have gone out of control. Crimes are happening in broad daylight. Small business owners in Toronto are begging me for help, but the thug-hugging city council is blocking police from doing their job. And in their open war on cars, they are ripping up roads used by ordinary, hard-working Torontonians getting to and from their workplaces, and replace them with bike lanes that only the downtown elites uses.

The city council is completely out-of-touch with ordinary Torontonians, and we must stop it before it is too late. To save Toronto from the City Council, I have tabled a bill that will repeal City of Toronto Act, and place Toronto under provincial control.

Folks, with your support, we will make Toronto great again!
and with his majority in the legislative assembly, he can actually ram the said bill through. And there won't be a mayor of Toronto anymore. Of course, the federal government can always override the province... in theory (disallowance). In practice, it's probably not happening because that power hasn't been used in a long time. Depending on the prime minister, some may not have the will to use it.

Of course, that is an extreme example and that's probably not the way Doug Ford actually speaks, but it illustrates that what people imagines Canadian democracy works and how it actually works are completely different things, and they bear a tenuous relationship with each other. After all, constitutionally, there are only the provinces and the confederation, anything else is optional extra.

So yeah, no high hope.

Olivia Chow has been pilloried as soft on crime, soft on drugs, soft on refugees, and as a tax and spend socialist. She was already being blamed for the supposed increased in crime by her supposed strongest opponent in the Mayoral race which was Police Chief Stupid Saunders. His people was going house to house essentially painting Olivia Chow as the embodiment of what's plaguing the city of Toronto. Good luck to her and I hope she does a good job in her capacity as Mayor. John Tory (who resigned as Mayor due to his grandfatherly fling blaming it on Covid-19) spend a decade or so as Mayor of Toronto and he was from a conservative wing of the political spectrum, plus he was also coming from the business world having been the former CEO of Rogers Media (one of the biggest media corp in Canada) and I am not sure what's his actual legacy for the city. Other people on this forum that's living in Toronto can answer that since my view on the guy is somewhat mixed.
Yeah, pretty much. Her "sin" is that she is an NDPer in a city filled with "f*ck you, I got mine" type, in a province that has a lot of "own the libs" type outside of the cities.

I thought mayor Tory was bad.

Tory only wanted the power. Never seem like he gave a crap about doing a good job.

Property taxes never stopped going up under his megalomaniac rein.

He was not a conservative. He was just plain power hungry, and would do anything to grab that power.
I mean, one thing that got him re-elected in the first place (aside from incumbency advantage, Keesmaat running a last-minute, shoddily prepared campaign, and F*ith G*ldy stealing the headlines) was that he kept the property tax rise below the rate of inflation. I believe he ran on that point in his campaign. The whole crack cocaine saga really distorted what is considered acceptable performance in Toronto.

I vaguely remembered a political stunt pulled by the left-leaning city councillors in the budget debate, where they line-itemed all the potential increase in public service and its impact on the property tax rate (some hilariously small number), and proposed each and every one of those services individually, so that Tory and the right-leaning councillors will be on the record for voting against those services. Nobody really cared at the end, but hey, my dude kept the property tax down or something. Don't worry about services being cut, or that the TTC is literally falling apart from years of neglect, it's not real /s.
 

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here is problem. Six factories have 600,000 capacity. but one Plant that full cycle has 650K capacity in 2017. and considering how geographical distribution of skilled labor and the competition with other fields the other plants will not stay competitive.

Reuters spoke to two companies and four sources familiar with the matter who said that six factories in Russia that were formerly owned by European, Japanese and U.S. carmakers or assembled their vehicles are now producing Chinese models or have plans to do so.

Overall, the six factories have an annual capacity of around 600,000 cars, Reuters calculations show.

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Togliatti Plant

Capacity: 650K per year
3 vehicle lines + powertrain & components lines
Production for LADA: LADA Largus, LADA XRAY, LADA Kalina, LADA Granta, LADA Priora, LADA 4x4
Production for Renault: Renault Logan, Renault Sandero.
Production for Nissan: Nissan Almera
Production for Datsun: Datsun on-DO, Datsun mi-DO

Even if you deduct two factories 200K Production of Renault group. There Plans were to have 1 million vehicles at one place. Production capacity does not mean that those vehicles will sell as used car market is much larger.
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PJSC AVTOVAZ is a leading industrial enterprise of Togliatti​

Since 1970, JSC AVTOVAZ, occupying 607 hectares of land, manufactured over 26.000.000 LADA vehicles and automotive assembly sets. PJSC AVTOVAZ supplies its vehicles all over Russia, exports to Ukraine, Belorussia, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Georgia, Egypt, and the European countries.

Today, LADA vehicles present 57% of the national motor vehicle fleet. More than 25% of the annual auto sales in the Russian market fall onto the brand of LADA.

PJSC AVTOVAZ is a partner of Renault-Nissan alliance. According to the business plan of JSC AVTOVAZ, 1.200.000 vehicles will be manufactured with the factory’s production capacities by the year 2020 under three brand names: LADA, Renault, Datsun and Nissan.
 

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Another important data point is Chinese Americans working in restaurants or retail tend to be more likely to view China unfavorably whereas the segment of Chinese Americans most likely to view China favorably tend to be working in science amd technology.

The Chinese part is prob not too reliable. No point thinking kitchen workers are less chinese than engineer chinese. In my experience, middle/upper class Canton/ Chinese/Hong Kongers Americans look down on mainlanders too.

Honestly, I think many Chinese people have enough sense to answer the poll in a politcally safe manner for self preservation under the current atmosphere. I wouldn't admit any pro-china views unless I am sure about the person or know the person is intelligent enough to understand geopolitics. If a american strangers or official sounding person on the phone ask me similar question... i would also agree " i love freedom fries and think the zzp is not that good"

People have to remember the majority of Chinese that are in the USA ran away from China during the dark periods of China. Heck, my family were landowner class and it didn't end well for them ;(. Even if they don't hate China today, they will always have some complex emotion towards the motherland.
 
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