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pmc

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I'm afraid you do not understand their rule of international order works. They already have greater influence by hanging the fruit in front of the Turks. What they do not want is more Turks and refugees from Turkey to the Schengen area.
My point is there will be no need to move so many Turks if it has economic transformation with EU assistance.
Many other from global south moved there anyway since Turkey first applied to EU membership.

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Tootensky

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Wtf are these word salads? Are they trying to prove they can write in English?
It's cause of sanctions. China stopped exporting punctuation marks, and... Here we are...
China don't need Israel, they already have the 2 regional power in Iran and Saudi Arabia.
That, and also Russia has Syria, and still pretty good relations with Egypt and Algeria... And God only knows where Iraq stands nowadays...
 

Eventine

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What should China do to make sure the US in the indo pafic cannot be an issue and prevent a changlle to China? it seems like the US wants to more and more make sure China cannot peacefully do reunifaction with Taiwan and to contatin China and to prevent our growth. so what do you think China should do in response and if this is an issue for my motherland. we cannot let the US and its allies contatin or stop us from being a thriving country so they can make us end up like Japan. sorry for my long speech, i am just worried about the future of my country and what China should do to make sure it does not have an affect.
Taiwan isn't going any where. There is no urgency in forcing a bad fight. You don't fight an opponent while he's ahead; you wait until he falls behind.

The key to defeating the US is economics and technology. China's focus should not be how to take back Taiwan. It should be how to out compete the US in economics and technology. As long as China gets its own house in order, time is on its side, not on the US's, for an over stretched, global empire like the US's inevitably declines over time.

Indeed, it's already happening, as the US's share of global GDP and innovation is shrinking, and it is increasingly having to rely on its allies, particularly its new "allies" like India, to hold together the illusion of its hegemony.

The best strategy for China is to wait and play the long game.

This means addressing long-term risks like demographic decline, technology deficiencies, and energy & food dependencies. Take care of those, and Taiwan is only a matter of time.
 

ansy1968

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That, and also Russia has Syria, and still pretty good relations with Egypt and Algeria... And God only knows where Iraq stands nowadays...
The Chinese had solidify there influence in the middle east, North Africa (the country you mentioned), West Africa in Nigeria and South Africa. Those are major regional players. So strategically China is salami slicing the US as they learn the good and bad from them.
 

ansy1968

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I never heard that quote before, thats what it seems China is doing is just sitting back and waiting
Well to be honest I get it from my brother @horse , a philosopher ;) China know time is on her side and thru history they had experience worst kind of containment and survive. This is chicken feed compare to what Mao and his comrade experience during the 50"s were China stop the Collective West advance after the Korean War.

What I'm worried about is the foolishness of American intellectual elites, the hubris they hold against ASIAN in particular, they think China is like Japan and like the Japanese they will be easily provoke not knowing the difference in size (A continental power vs an Island nation) and culture. And facing an inevitable defeat ( sinking just one aircraft carrier) will spell the end of PAX AMERICANA , its prestige and see the empire collapse both from outside and within.
 
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Tootensky

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The Chinese had solidify there influence in the middle east, North Africa (the country you mentioned), West Africa in Nigeria and South Africa. Those are major regional players. So strategically China is salami slicing the US as they learn the good and bad from them.
Turns out that after the US has been giving everyone the stick for the last 30 years, everyone is eager to get the carrot when given the opportunity. Who knew.
 
My point is there will be no need to move so many Turks if it has economic transformation with EU assistance.
Many other from global south moved there anyway since Turkey first applied to EU membership.

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My point is there is not much desire to help with Turkish economic transformation without a net benefit for the international rule of order.

Perhaps of the Turks can obediently submit to their international rule of order without any hesitation. Then we can throw in some "good boy" carrot.
 
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