Europe Refugee Crisis
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broadsword
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I don't trust the governments will bother to check every immigrant, but rather rely on tip-offs and play by the ear. I am more concerned with the hardliners, not just the terrorists. Are they govts going to accommodate these people as they are with their local hardline Muslims existing in their population?
I can only hope the govts will be decisive and firm, and deport the hardliners asap so that the they do not linger to radicalize groups to commit injustices against other communities. As their population swells a few centuries from now, there will be a trojan horse scenario and there is no stopping Shariah law and apartheid.
I can only hope the govts will be decisive and firm, and deport the hardliners asap so that the they do not linger to radicalize groups to commit injustices against other communities. As their population swells a few centuries from now, there will be a trojan horse scenario and there is no stopping Shariah law and apartheid.
Unfortunately, I can't be so sure here. With many of the refugees only being registered in their destination countries (well inside the Schengen area) if at all, there is absolutely no checks and security beforehand, for all I can see.
So the issue of having to deal with them will only arise after they are more or less settled. Now history shows that the executive and judiciary are very reserved when it comes to deporting individuals not interested in adhereing to the core values of living together.
England in the 17th century adopted a law that excluded the every Catholic to be monarch or consort of the monarch ever as Catholics were adherents of the Pope, a foreign head of state, so they were traitors. I think that law was, or perhaps soon will be, abandoned. This illustrates how prejudice can make integration even of people who were born in a county more difficult.
There are interpretations of Sharia that are obnoxious to many people but some of its rules might well find an honourable place in Western society.
It is certain that the Western idea of democracy has not been derived from Athenian democracy that indeed was very different from what we mean by that name. I read in a book by a Dutch historian that Western democracy is derived from the practice in European Universities of rule by faculty and students together. They most probably borrowed it from the, older, Muslim Universities.
N.B. Apartheid is a Dutch word and is derived from an extreme interpretation of the Bible by a Dutch protestant sect.
Miragedriver
Brigadier
A man helps pass a baby over a fence as refugees journey through Morahalom, Hungary
Picture: Getty Images
A man carries a boy on his shoulders as migrants wait for permission to board a train after they crossed the border between Macedonia and Greece, near the town of Gevgelija
Picture: Nake Batev/EPA
Refugees warm up their hands over hot ash from a bonfire at migrant collection point near the village of Roszke on the Hungarian-Serbian border. Around 167,000 migrants have entered Hungary illegally so far this year, with most crossing the border around the Roszke area.
Picture: Attila Kisbenedek/AFP/Getty Images
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Miragedriver
Brigadier
The refugee crisis forcing Europe to rethink its role in Syria
(Defensa.com) The European Union is finalizing plans to launch the second phase of military operations in the Mediterranean against trafficking networks that bring Europe to a part of the refugees of Syrian origin. The first phase, which focused on the acquisition of intelligence, will end in September, it is planned that a second envisages a more active role, which involves the implementation of measures to intercept, capture and even destruction of the vessels used by mafias to reach European shores.
This was recently announced by the High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, the Italian Federica Mogherini, after the last meeting of European defense ministers. There is already consensus on the start of the second phase, which is expected shortly that a formal decision on the matter will require more resources and take more ships.
The naval mission EUNAVFOR MED began last June 22 in response to the increase of refugees and asylum seekers are coming mainly from Syria, Libya and Iraq, the details published in May. The mission has three phases the first being that is in progress, for the identification of human trafficking networks, gathering information and conducting patrols international waters of the Mediterranean. The second phase involves the participation of naval military means to search, seize or divert ships are at sea that are suspected of being used for this illegal traffic. It is expected that the United Nations Security Council issued a resolution to allow the mission to operate in territorial waters of Libya, the main source of current traffic.
The third and final phase includes the use of the means to "disable" the boats. In this regard it has been taken to modulate the language referring to the possible destruction of these objectives, as they would be in territory of a third country, such as Libya. It has been suggested that air and naval means will be used to destroy or neutralize these vessels, but no ground troops will be deployed, even special forces units.
Acting on Syria
In the same vein French President Francois Hollande, who announced the start of a campaign of reconnaissance flights over Syria to determine targets of Islamic / Daesh attack after State ruled Monday. Hollande acknowledged that the goal is to understand and prevent ongoing plans against France and prevent attacks against the Syrian population. Meanwhile not stop trying to solve the Syrian problem through diplomacy, admitting that the solution probably reserved a role the current president Bashar al-Assad, whom Hollande referred to as "essential". Thus France is expanding its involvement in the Middle East after starting its operations against the Islamic State in Iraq. But the bombing campaign launched by the international coalition is generating poor results on the basis of the activity of the Islamic State and the increased flow of refugees into Europe.
British Prime Minister David Cameron acknowledged that the government has taken action in August bombing against specific objectives of the Islamic state in Syria, through UAVs and ending the lives of two British-born terrorists in a stock valued by Cameron as "self-defense" and that opens the door to a possible approval of military action by the United Kingdom within the international coalition decision it requires parliamentary approval.
Meanwhile other international actors take center stage in the Syrian crisis, starting with Russia, which continues to support the Syrian President, United States, and Iran, countries that through their support, either anti-government insurgents or the regime, extend the conflict beyond most refugees entering Europe these days.
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(Defensa.com) The European Union is finalizing plans to launch the second phase of military operations in the Mediterranean against trafficking networks that bring Europe to a part of the refugees of Syrian origin. The first phase, which focused on the acquisition of intelligence, will end in September, it is planned that a second envisages a more active role, which involves the implementation of measures to intercept, capture and even destruction of the vessels used by mafias to reach European shores.
This was recently announced by the High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, the Italian Federica Mogherini, after the last meeting of European defense ministers. There is already consensus on the start of the second phase, which is expected shortly that a formal decision on the matter will require more resources and take more ships.
The naval mission EUNAVFOR MED began last June 22 in response to the increase of refugees and asylum seekers are coming mainly from Syria, Libya and Iraq, the details published in May. The mission has three phases the first being that is in progress, for the identification of human trafficking networks, gathering information and conducting patrols international waters of the Mediterranean. The second phase involves the participation of naval military means to search, seize or divert ships are at sea that are suspected of being used for this illegal traffic. It is expected that the United Nations Security Council issued a resolution to allow the mission to operate in territorial waters of Libya, the main source of current traffic.
The third and final phase includes the use of the means to "disable" the boats. In this regard it has been taken to modulate the language referring to the possible destruction of these objectives, as they would be in territory of a third country, such as Libya. It has been suggested that air and naval means will be used to destroy or neutralize these vessels, but no ground troops will be deployed, even special forces units.
Acting on Syria
In the same vein French President Francois Hollande, who announced the start of a campaign of reconnaissance flights over Syria to determine targets of Islamic / Daesh attack after State ruled Monday. Hollande acknowledged that the goal is to understand and prevent ongoing plans against France and prevent attacks against the Syrian population. Meanwhile not stop trying to solve the Syrian problem through diplomacy, admitting that the solution probably reserved a role the current president Bashar al-Assad, whom Hollande referred to as "essential". Thus France is expanding its involvement in the Middle East after starting its operations against the Islamic State in Iraq. But the bombing campaign launched by the international coalition is generating poor results on the basis of the activity of the Islamic State and the increased flow of refugees into Europe.
British Prime Minister David Cameron acknowledged that the government has taken action in August bombing against specific objectives of the Islamic state in Syria, through UAVs and ending the lives of two British-born terrorists in a stock valued by Cameron as "self-defense" and that opens the door to a possible approval of military action by the United Kingdom within the international coalition decision it requires parliamentary approval.
Meanwhile other international actors take center stage in the Syrian crisis, starting with Russia, which continues to support the Syrian President, United States, and Iran, countries that through their support, either anti-government insurgents or the regime, extend the conflict beyond most refugees entering Europe these days.
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broadsword
Brigadier
Western propaganda can be so shockingly shameless. I am waiting for the USS Nimitz to drop anchor off Syria and do a redux of 1975.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
And I soooooo wanted to post early on, "When are they going to blame China for this?"
Remember when Colin Powell said, "You broke it, you fix it?" Again like I posted earlier, the lack of conscience... After all the blame we can place on Obama for his Syria policy, remember it was the EU that was pushing the US to act. And somehow China has responsibility?
Brag about how people would rather live in Western countries than China...
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Again, I won't repost the images here, but there are pictures and reports surfacing on the web which seem to show that the Syrian toddler washed up dead on a Turkish beach was staged.
Sadly, the child did die, but his body originally washed up amongst rocks, alongside other debris, presumably from the vessel he was traveling aboard. It was then carried to an open stretch of the beach and carefully posed by the photographers to produce the image that shocked the world.
If that is true, it would be a such a breach of any professional, ethnical and moral standards that words fail me.
Sadly, the child did die, but his body originally washed up amongst rocks, alongside other debris, presumably from the vessel he was traveling aboard. It was then carried to an open stretch of the beach and carefully posed by the photographers to produce the image that shocked the world.
If that is true, it would be a such a breach of any professional, ethnical and moral standards that words fail me.