Dreadnaught (Texas) vs. Most Modern (Iowa) Battleships

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    Long Lance needs oxygen installations . For that particular reason it was impractical even on submarines, they created less capable Type 95 torpedoes for those . As for V1/Okha , they could not be launched from torpedo boats, especially Okha . V1 needed catapult for launch from ground ramps . Rocket technology (propellant technology) was not sufficiently advanced at that time to create missiles like later P-15, able to be launched from smaller vessels .
     
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    S-boats are FAC, not subs and they runs on the surface at 45-48 knots. i.e. 80 km+; thus oxygen is not an issue.

    Ohka are designed to be launched from ground bases or submarine catapults; V1 launch speed are 580 km/hr. I am not sure about ww2 rocket technology being insufficient. the Japanese Type 4 Mark 1 Model 20 rocket motors Solid propellant where 3X was used in the ohka produced 2.6 kn each or 587 lbf, for a minute. JATO/RATO rockets used to launch hurricane fighters to intercept german maritime patrol aircraft; well were sucessful in launching a full fighter. JATO/RATO was 1000lbf for 12 seconds, thus, i am inclined to believe that the okha or V1 can be launched on a S-boat. it only have to fly... 20 sth km to be effective

    edit/ the JATOs are pretty small, are is a pair of launch rail on a 100 ton boat too much?:
    http://www.firebirds.org/menu13/jato_loading.html
     
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    Well yea. That's a heck of a setup for the Austro-Hungarians there, Jura.

    One on three.

    If I were in the Texas and alone with two cruisers and two destroys screening me, and saw three battleships and their larger screen coming at me, I would not engage.

    However, in this instance, you relish the coming fight as the USS Texas decides to steam directly toward you to engage. Then, as your first salvos land near her, she breaks hard right.

    You keep firing, turning to pursue.

    But then a few minutes later once you are committed...to your surprise...you find that the USS Pennsylvania, the HMS Canada, and the HMS Revenge were trailing the USS Texas by 10 miles and, since their float planes have told them that there are no other vessels beyond your division, are now cutting you off, maneuvering to engage you and your Division!

    I'll leave it at that point ...hehehe.
     
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    common, I knew it wouldn't be easy; now I heard from both of my cruisers there's this battleship there which should've been in Chile for years, what's the name now, Canada, and yet another American battleship since cage masts were clearly seen, but what troubles me most are the huge splashes, 50 meters or so, this can only be from 15" shells which that ship fired from 23000 yards (and a German officer, whom I have within my staff, concurs, Kapitän zur See ... I call him Scratch :)

    fine, they lost some time when the Texas was joining the line after she had turned East ... now I'm closer, 21000 yards, and see the ship with 15" guns is the leader ... it's one of the Revenge-class; I order to concentrate the fire on the leader, heck, it's 36 guns in my Squadron, the pride of the Imperial & Royal Navy ... hit! yes! one of the guns of the B turret on the Tegetthoff didn't fire at first (I don't know what's happened, need to talk to them about it), but a few seconds later the shot came out and obviously hit, as the funnel on the Revenge-class is damaged, clouds of smoke coming off it LOL!
    (Do they deserve a promotion? the gun actually malfunctioned ... I'll think about it later)

    the leader had to disengage, the Canada leads now, then the two Americans ... I'm now within their range, but hope they'll just protect the wounded ship and leave, they must know I wouldn't pursue ...
     
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    Yeah, so good what if for a wargame :cool: with ruffling suspense, damn you make my day guys ! :p:p
     
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    Me thinks they got into their Friday Night anti-freeze a little heavily and far to early????:confused::confused::confused:;)
     
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    I'll just briefly comment on
    are you aware the relations between the Supermarina and the OKW were ... not the best? both sides got good reasons for the distrust; while trying to put ideology aside, I'll give just one example for each:
    1. March 1941 and the OKW call to send Italian Cruisers into Eastern Med "under German air-cover" which turned out to be Operation Charlie Fox and resulted in the Battle of Matapan
    2. August 1943 (of course, you may tell me most of Regia Marina was just loyal to the King)
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    and with Japan, there were logistic issues, obviously :)
     
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    I didn't forget this Thread :)
    Sep 10, 2015
    ... and today:
    On this day in history: First airplane launched from an American battleship
    source: http://navaltoday.com/2016/03/09/on...irplane-launched-from-an-american-battleship/
     
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