Dreadnaught (Texas) vs. Most Modern (Iowa) Battleships

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    thank you, for now:
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    and this forenoon, if Internet connection works in the train (taking me to the Christmas lunch LOL), I'll have several hours to look at you files Jeff! :)
     
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    oh Jeff all credit should go the Austro-Hungarian Empire and its high-tech manufacturers, one of the best in the World which is long gone
     
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    It would be in your honor because of your deep feeling about that ship and what it represented my friend.
     
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    Jeff you just gave me a Christmas gift LOL!
    thank you
     
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    Wow! very kool, and I love the hull design! particularly the bow!
     
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    Holy Cow!
     
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    in fact the picture shows BB-35 LOL

    the Internet connection in the train works, keep me posted bro :)
     
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    hey Jeff, somebody on Facebook says he's right there, right now (two hours ago to be precise):
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    LOL!

    (I joined https://www.facebook.com/groups/399753236783521/)
     
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    Jura,

    I read somewhere I do not recall that, the German navy inspected the Viribus Unitis and likewise, the Austrians inspected the i believe Kaisers.

    The Germans were of course interested with the triple gun turrets and the Austrians were interested in the FCS systems etc. Both side were reported to be unimpressed with the other, (which is interesting where most technical exchanges were not that fruitful e.g. the US engineers at Aberdeen were unimpressed with the T34 and the soviets were not impressed with the M4)

    Of interest, the Germans thought that the triple gun turret slowed down rate of fire and the subsequent desire to have more turrets so to minimize loss of firepower when one turret is lost and the intent to fight off multiple targets when being chased lead to the Bayerns and the Bismarks retaining the two gun per turret layout.

    Did you read this before?
     
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    hey Lezt how you doing?
    as to your question, I sorta heard about what you said, but just in general, about industrial/naval contacts (but I'm not saying you're wrong), now I checked Friedman's Naval Weapons of WWOne and the only direct info I found though was "the triple turret was disliked" by the Germans (the book says it lead to picking eight 15" in four two-gun turrets instead of ten 14" (2x2, 2x3) for the Badens) LOL
    it's kinda obvious to me both Germans and Austrians were confident their solution was the best (also LOL) plus there were similarities in the main batteries, off top of my head
    • sliding breech
    • uniterrupted hoist
    • electric turret (OK not completely, I'm saying simplifications anyway)
    • cartridges for powder
    = obvious differences from non-Central-Power-Navies (using this to include the US and Japanese of course)

    anyway your question was very useful to me because I recently joined "Dreadnought" group in Facebook (the link is in the post you quoted in case you were interested), where I started with praising the Viribus Unitis (of course :) but was challenged:
    a guy quoted
    http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNAust_12-45.php
    "Under battle conditions the gun houses could not be ventilated as they would have sucked in the propellant gasses. It was estimated that they had no more than 15 minutes of oxygen once the ventilation was shut down."
    to me ... I then did some digging (but was unable to find any ventilation charts), indeed read this would've been addressed in the follow-up class ('Ersatz Monarch') but hey, now I noticed (while searching for what you asked) about the Germans:
    "Ejecting cartridge cases out of the rear of the turret presumably ventilated it." nothing fancy either
    LOL!

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    actually the sentence I quoted right above goes on with the part in parentheses
    (hence there were fewer provisions for ventilation than in other navies)

    I'm thinking if to go back to that Facebook discussion or, one hundred years after the issue or non-issue, leave it
     
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