China Flanker Thread II

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i think the J-15s might be using a mechanically steered radar now, but they should have a version of AESA radar installed in the future. It's important for these aircraft to be as well equipped as possible and the technology is available. So if PLA does upgrade, they will surely do it for J-15s ahead of J-11Bs.

I don't know if it will use same radar as J-16, since they do have different requirements.
 

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And same or close for J-15 ?

And justly Su-27SK, J-11, J-11A, J-11B use a former generation of radar and the D seems realy more interesting with an AESA seems he have say Huitong.

J-11B, J-15A use mechanically scanned radars similar to the Zhuk-M radar -
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Su-27SK/UBK, Su-30MKK/MK2, J-11/11A all use ever older Twist cassegrain antenna -
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J-11D,

I think PL-15 right now is only tested ut J-11d is much more capable than Su-27SK or J-11s


This new variant designed in China by the engineers of the Institute 601 in Shenyang is a consolidation of the family tree that is already great aircraft Sukhoi.

Developed from the model single-seat J-11B J-11D implements a new radar in active electronically scanning (AESA radar antenna) developed by the Institute of CETC group 14, a new electric flight control and compliant antennas EW . Besides the radar, some of these innovations is also on the J-16.

Rumors are already talking about a planned upgrade to date for the Chinese heavy interceptor, namely the replacement of current engines by a new variant of WS-10 with a thrust of 14 000 kg and equipped with vector nozzles.

payload capacity level, the aircraft can now carry up to 12 air-air missiles through two points of additional payload that have been added inside the canopy, a sign that the wing was structurally improved.

The new missile double pulse PL-15 with a range of 200km and the new IR missile PL-10 are now part of office of the arsenal Air-Air J-11D.

The first prototype registered in 1101 has made its maiden flight April 29, 2015 in Shenyang. Two more prototypes followed soon after, one in late October 2015 and the other in July 2016. The J-11D that has been photographed in Daocheng Yading airport should match one of the three prototypes .

To emphasize that the J-11D is seen by some in China as the direct competitor of the Su-35SK that the army of the Chinese air will receive after 2017, but it will be wiser to wait until the complete elements on both to speculate "sensational".
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J-16,


The J-16, another heavy fighter-bomber to the "Sukhoi"

The history of the J-16 began earlier than the J-11D. In 1999, China has ordered the first 38 heavy fighter-bomber Su-30MKK for its air force, before adding 38 more copies two years later.

The Chinese navy, which was looking for a heavy fighter with great autonomy to compete with the F-15J over the East China Sea, also bought a regiment of 24 Su-30MK2 aircraft in January 2003.

Satisfied with these purchases that allow them to create a consistent capacity-Surface Air strikes on a long-range, the Chinese have sought the one hand, to further optimize the integration of these original devices Russian in the Chinese environment, "crackant" example source code of its bus and fire control system to integrate Chinese arms, and on the other hand, provide and develop the next replacement.

Thus was born the project of J-16, which was taken from the design of two-seat J-11BS in 2009. The main features flying J-16 are substantially aligned with those of Su-30MKK, the plane is heavier than the basic J-11BS.

also powered by two Chinese WS-10 engines, the new Chinese fighter-bomber flew for the first time in late 2011. It can carry a wide range of Chinese ammunition like missiles air-air PL-10 and PL-12, the Sol-Air missiles KD-88, LS-500J LGB bombs or submunitions.

In total, the J-16 can carry 8000kg of weapons to a maximum range without refueling, 4 000km.

If everything is practically Chinese on this plane, its flight refueling system is not compatible with the existing H-6U. Like the Su-30MKK and MK2, the new J-16 must wait three IL-78 that are happening in the ranks of the Chinese army to be refueled.

Entered service in the army of the Chinese air in 2015, the aircraft sharing much of the new avionics suite with heavy interceptor J-11D. However, it is equipped with an AESA radar antenna developed by the Institute 607 of AVIC Group.

According to the latest rumors, the development of this radar is delayed and the performance is not at the level expected by the air force, who would have refused outright validation.

The entry into active service J-16 should therefore, if the rumors are confirmed, take considerable delay.


As for why the J-16, fresh out of the factory is Daocheng Yading, it remains unknown because in principle on ground qualification flights should have taken place in recent years, when the first aircraft entered into service.

A less than the qualifying J-11D requires the presence of J-16 for specific reasons unknown today?

Note that, to support its Air-Ground missions that are now part of the new doctrine, and to enjoy the great platform offered by the J-16, China's military has developed in parallel an electronic warfare version , similar to the American EA-18G.

The J-16D (??) includes a pair of pod ESM / ELINT after its wings and more consistent on his cell antennas. Part-cons, its IRST and the gun were removed, certainly for mass control issue. It is not therefore bound to get in close air combat and should simply escorting other planes 'Soft' mode.

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J-11D,

This new variant designed in China by the engineers of the Institute 601 in Shenyang is a consolidation of the family tree that is already great aircraft Sukhoi.

Developed from the model single-seat J-11B J-11D implements a new radar in active electronically scanning (AESA radar antenna) developed by the Institute of CETC group 14, a new electric flight control and compliant antennas EW .

I think PL-15 right now is only tested ut J-11d is much more capable than Su-27SK or J-11s
The Chinese continue to update/upgrade their own Flankers to keep them very relevant.

The J-11D is just another example of the same.

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Two more high-resolution shots from the Changchun Airshow...

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J-11D delivered to a operationnal Rgt for 2017 ? replace Su-27 ?


Sorry, but I do not understand Your question: Do You think how likely it is that the first J-11D will enter operational service in 2017 ??

IMO, highly unlikely ... with so far only three aircraft flying I expect 2018 at best.
However that again depends on the production rate at SAC.


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