China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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    New report from the Washington Free Beacon on the JL-3 test flight:

    The highlighted portion in red somewhat reflects "Yankeesama"'s prediction that there will be a follow-on variant of the JL-2 in addition to the next-generation JL-3.
     
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    Via JSCh


    Speculation rife about DF-17 after video shows hypersonic vehicle
    By Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2019/6/24 14:16:42

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    An animated video released by the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation shows a boost-glide vehicle reentering the atmosphere. Photo: Screenshot from Passion News
    Here is the video
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    China's missile manufacturing giant showcased hypersonic boost-glide vehicles in a recent animated video, and media reports speculate that the weapon might be the DF-17 of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Rocket Force.

    Such weapons, which Russia and the US are developing, are very difficult to intercept due to their hypersonic speed and high mobility, experts said Monday.

    The animated video, released by the state-owned China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC) on its social media platform Douyin account, shows the launch of multiple boost-glide vehicles, which reenter the atmosphere and hit an underground command center.

    This is the first time the company has shown a simulated animation on a boost-glide vehicle, Passion News, a media outlet under k618.cn, a news portal run by the Communist Youth League of China Central Committee, reported on Sunday.

    A boost-glide vehicle, which is essentially a warhead, is stored in the nose of a missile, and will be released once the rocket booster sends it fast and high enough. It will then fly over the upper edge of the atmosphere, changing directions frequently, which makes it very difficult to intercept by anti-missile systems, Wei Dongxu, a Beijing-based military analyst, told the Global Times on Monday.

    Such a glide vehicle flies at hypersonic speeds, so the enemy has little time to react, Wei noted.

    Russia's Avangard and the US' AGM-183A missiles also use similar technologies.

    Citing analysts, Passion News said the weapon in the CASIC video could be the DF-17 of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Rocket Force, as reports said the DF-17 missile uses a hypersonic boost-glide vehicle as its warhead.

    The Chinese military has not yet announced any hypersonic glide vehicle deployment.
     
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    Well at least the spoke person of Defense minister does not deny it via Bahadur

    Submarine-launched missile meets national security needs: Defense Ministry
    By Guo Yuandan and Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2019/6/27 22:28:42
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    On Monday, the People's Liberation Army Navy posts a file photo of the firing of a submarine-launched ballistic missile on Sina Weibo, China's Twitter-like social media, asking, "Do you believe [there are] UFOs, too?" Photo: screenshot of Sina Weibo

    The scheduled test was normal, China's Ministry of National Defense said on Thursday, when asked about the alleged test launch of a JL-3 submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) on June 2.

    "These tests are not targeted at any country or objective," Defense Ministry spokesperson Ren Guoqiang said at a routine press conference.

    Ren was responding to a question from the Global Times on reports that residents claimed to have seen an unidentified flying object (UFO) on June 2.

    Just as media and netizens speculated on the true nature of the UFO, relating it to a naval exercise that took place in the Bohai Sea and Bohai Straits at the same time, the People's Liberation Army Rocket Force and Navy hinted on June 3 that the "UFOs" could be missiles launched.

    Chinese and foreign reports then speculated that the missile could be China's new SLBM, the JL-3.

    During the press conference, Ren did not explain what weapon was used in the test, however, if the information provided in the question was wrong and it was not the JL-3, the spokesperson would have denied it, as in many previous cases, military analysts said.

    Military experts told the Global Times that the JL-3 is China's latest SLBM under development that is expected to reach targets farther away with higher accuracy and capable of carrying more warheads than China's current SLBMs.

    The SLBM might have a range of up to 14,000 kilometers and be equipped with 10 independent guided nuclear warheads, Russia's state TV channel Russia Today reported.

    China always pursues a defensive national defense policy and active defense military strategy, Ren said, noting that developing weapons and equipment meets the basic needs of safeguarding national security of China.
     
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    Sorry about the garbage source, I'll update with more solid sources as the story develops.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/china/...-missile-tests-hotly-contested-south-n1025456

    Chinese military conducts anti-ship missile tests in hotly contested South China Sea

    WASHINGTON — China has been conducting a series of anti-ship ballistic missile tests in the hotly contested waters of the South China Sea, according to two U.S. officials with knowledge of the matter.

    The Chinese carried out the first test over the weekend, firing off at least one missile into the sea, one official said. The window for testing remains open until July 3, and the official expects the Chinese military to test again before it closes.

    While the U.S. military has ships in the South China Sea, they were not close to the weekend test and are not in danger, the official said. However, the official added that the test is "concerning." The official, who was not authorized to speak about the testing, could not say whether the anti-ship missiles being tested represent a new capability for the Chinese military.

    The Pentagon did not immediately respond to CNBC and NBC's requests for comment.

    The development comes as the United States and China have paused tensions in their ongoing trade battle. U.S. President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping agreed over the weekend at the G-20 summit in Japan to not impose new tariffs on each other's goods. A trade deal between the two countries fell through in the beginning of May.

    The South China Sea, which is home to more than 200 specks of land, serves as a gateway to global sea routes where approximately $3.4 trillion of trade passes annually.

    The numerous overlapping sovereign claims to islands, reefs and rocks — many of which disappear under high tide — have turned the waters into an armed camp. Beijing holds the lion's share of these features with approximately 27 outposts peppered throughout.

    In May 2018, China quietly installed anti-ship cruise missiles and surface-to-air missile systems on three of its fortified outposts west of the Philippines in the South China Sea, a move that allows Beijing to further project its power in the hotly disputed waters, according to sources with direct knowledge of U.S. intelligence reports.

    According to U.S. intelligence reports, the installations mark the first Chinese missile deployments to Fiery Cross Reef, Subi Reef and Mischief Reef in the Spratly Islands. The Spratlys, to which six countries lay claim, are located approximately two-thirds of the way east from southern Vietnam to the southern Philippines.

    By all accounts, the coastal defense systems represent a significant addition to Beijing's military portfolio in one of the most contested regions in the world.

    The United States has remained neutral — but expressed concern — about the overlapping sovereignty claims to the Spratlys.

    Still, the United States and China have disagreed over several issues regarding the South China Sea.

    "China does need to have necessary defense of these islands and rocks which we believe are Chinese territory," high-ranking Chinese Col. Zhou Bo told CNBC in June. His remarks came after then-acting U.S. Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan said America would no longer "tiptoe" around Chinese behavior in the region.
     
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    Not sure who are these people according to two U.S. officials with knowledge of the matter. Any confirmation If true it is milestone Anyway Henri K blog pick up the news and confirm the area of the test

    The closed area for military exercise in the South China Sea, active from June 29 to July 3, turns out to be a fallout zone for Chinese anti-ship ballistic missiles, according to US officers. Danzhou is one of the possible shooting sites.

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    Well they now confirm it as JL3 after all
    https://sputniknews.com/military/201907011076116668-china-intercontinental-ballistic-missile-test/

    In early June, residents in several provinces in central China claimed that they had spotted a mysterious light moving across the sky, with the People's Liberation Army Rocket Force and Chinese Navy hinting at the time that it could be a secret military test.

    China’s Ministry of National Defence spokesperson Ren Guoqiang told reporters on Tuesday that the country had successfully tested the Julang (JL)-3, a next-generation intercontinental submarine-launched ballistic missile.

    “The scientific research and tests were conducted according to plan are normal”, Ren said, adding that the test had not targeted “any country or specific entity".

    Ren’s statement came in response to reports about a mysterious light thought to be shot from Zhengzhou in Henan province on 2 June, alarming locals and prompting speculations about a classified missile test.

    US officials in turn claimed that after the JL-3 was launched from a submarine test platform in the Bohai Sea, it covered several thousand miles before falling on a missile impact range in western China.

    The third-generation Julang (‘Big waves’)-class missiles are specifically designed for China's nuclear-powered submarines. China’s Global Times newspaper earlier reported that the JL-3 can carry more warheads than the country’s current submarine-launched ballistic missiles.

    The JL-3 has a full operational range of about 8,700 miles (about 14,000 kilometres), which media reports say allows the missile to obliterate potential targets throughout most of the United States.



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    “China has always followed a defence policy which is defensive in nature and an active defence military strategy. The development of weapons and equipment is to meet the basic needs of safeguarding China's national security”, he pointed out.

    Ren’s statement came in response to reports about a mysterious light thought to be shot from Zhengzhou in Henan province on 2 June, alarming locals and prompting speculations about a classified missile test.

    US officials in turn claimed that after the JL-3 was launched from a submarine test platform in the Bohai Sea, it covered several thousand miles before falling on a missile impact range in western China.

    The third-generation Julang (‘Big waves’)-class missiles are specifically designed for China's nuclear-powered submarines. China’s Global Times newspaper earlier reported that the JL-3 can carry more warheads than the country’s current submarine-launched ballistic missiles.

    The JL-3 has a full operational range of about 8,700 miles (about 14,000 kilometres), which media reports say allows the missile to obliterate potential targets throughout most of the United States.



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    I find this interesting article "Re-entry communication through a plasma sheath using standing wave detection and adaptive data rate control". Please let me know if this has been reported in this forum.

    It is a research report published in 2016 by Xidian University (Xi'an Electronical Technology University). It is published in "Journal of Applied Physics" as well. Here is some highlights.
    1. Communication "Blackout" in plasma is NOT total cut-off, but rather weakened (bitrate reduced) and varied (plasma sheath fluctuate).
    2. The researched method use "station wave" to detect the varying condition of plasma (thickness). The detection is fed back to change communication scheme (like link-adaptation in mobile communication).
    3. Ground-based test has been done to demonstrate its validity. 250bps to 4Mbps through a 18-cm-thick and 30-cm-diameter hollow propagation path of plasma (see the diagram). The plasma is in the purple chamber (18cm thick and 30cm diameter). The lowest bitrate is 250bps. Aquired gain is 40dB.
    4. There is NO need for extra physical equipment for the application, as the detection uses existing antenna, the adaptation scheme is pure software.
    We know that the Shenzhou spacecraft has communication through plasma blackout capability. I can't say if this is already used on any ASBM, not DF-21D perhaps as it was deployed some time ago, but maybe DF-26 as it only went into operational in 2018.

    My point of speculation is that, this tech will make sure unbroken data link from satellite to the warhead for course correction and target update, making the terminal target acquisition (by radar of the warhead) and homing instantly.

    The good news is that (point 4), it does not add any bulk or weight, just change a PCB or reload software.
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    I would never want to be in the shoes of the man who in a scenario of war with China found himself in the Chinese sea while his ship is targeted with 2000-mile missiles by some technician who sips coffee or tea. I think it's relatively easy to trace a cvbg for the Chinese through dozens of satellites and drones, practically the US navy would be dead, without even needing to seriously engage the plan in the open sea. Asbm is a revolutionary old idea (soviets explored the concept in the '60s) made possible by new technology. From economic standpoint a carrier is much more fragile and much more expensive than an airbase, it can be taken out with ten missiles and it costs billions of dollars and will take to the bottom thousands of lives if sinked. Very risky deal for US
     
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    China needs to develop some sort of lower altitude or underwater equivalent to GPS. Satellites also seem like relatively easy targets tbh.
     
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