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Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Gathering storm, those young people in Hongkong have "death wish" unfortunately they are going to get it.One thing to express their view but when they start to interfere with normal function of a city like blocking subway and airport, throwing molotov bomb,defacing symbol of the state. They are going to far . Weak government and facilitating Hongkong government encourages the extremist. Concession will only create for more demand and soon they can't control it Then unfortunately China will have to take over with iron fist
I don't think China will tolerate chaos and they will pay whatever price I see that in TAM they been warned to clear the square for a months but they didn't listen
Deja vu all over again It is a tragedy waiting to happened all over again if they didn't stop this .
madness. I don't see anything wrong with extradition law every country has it to prevent Hongkong to become save heaven for criminal, Freedom and democracy was never threatened.But that is beside the point heir goal is Hongkong independent and that is secessionist movement and treason. It is irony that year after year they hold vigil for TAM but this time they will suffer the same fate as TAM
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manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Nothing unfortunate at all about the military answering their death wish. What would be unfortunate is if the military scattered them, allowing them to continue to be a more silent cancer on Chinese society for the rest of their lives and then raising their children to continue the blight.
Jura The idiot
General
Today at 3:36 PM
now
- Protesters had accused man in terminal building of being an undercover security officer from mainland China
- Small contingent of fully equipped riot police and elite officers from the Special Tactical Squad fought off protesters, using pepper spray and batons
I have followed events in HK with keen interest as it is my birth place, and I still have close family members there.
First of all, I would like to apologise if I get a bit emotional or/and political. (I'm mindful that the mods here seem to hand out sentances quite freely)!
Anyway, here goes.
The westrn MSM is unbelievable. Even after over 8 weeks into this, they are still trying to use the narratives of "peaceful protest" and they are only protesting for "freedom and democracy "!
In fact, nothing could be further from this. They protestors are nit peaceful. I have seen footages of the mob beating up innocent by standers. Mobs going prepare with helmets, gas mask and weapons.
They are protesting for independence, and freely waving US and UK flags in the streets, they also desecrate the national flag twice (a criminal offence in most countries)
Now after saying all that, I still think its no time to send in the troops. And here's why.
This is because it was their (protestors and the people behind them) goal all thr time. They have nothing to loose, and everything to win.
That is they either get their goal of independence, or they get China's name drag into mud if and when China send in the troops. Either way, they win, and China loose. A really smart move by those behind all these.
Least biased local Hong Kong news:
Besides from protesters beating up and tying up a man they accuse of being an undercover cop, protesters also tied up a journalist from a mainland newspaper, not to mention verbally and physically harassing numerous travelers and blocking them from getting to their flights. This is in addition to the previous rounds of protesters destroying public property and attacking police. These violent protesters definitely fit the definition of rioters and should be treated as such. The poor leadership and poor PR of the Hong Kong government and police are very disappointing in allowing most of these rioters to get away with and escalate their destructive behavior, even more disappointing than the biased anti-China spin of these riots in Western media.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Not really. They have their lives to lose. It's impossible they become independent but China can take full control of HK 28 years faster and get rid of a ton of possible future terrorists in one sweep resulting in a much more loyal HK population. That's certainly a victory for China and something worth considering.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Correct I think Beijing still wait for the sign of open rebellion to justify the crack down but the clock is ticking fast
I have no doubt that NGO, Western agent, Church official are rubbing their hand in glee at the prospect of open rebellion with the complicity of young thug who is now intoxicating with sense of power due to vacillating and indecisive Hongkong government .
But I do follow TAM tragedy blow by blow the same thing happened before and these young thug refuse to compromise And the central government wait for 2 or 3 months no change then they move with gangbusters
Casualty taken and The west with Japan and Korea boycott China when she is at ill can afford it But if china is willing to pay the price back then what prevent if to do it now since China influence and profile has gone so much over the year
Boycott can never last.After TAM the western world Boycott China only Overseas Chinese stood by China LKY said China did the right thing and history will be the judge. Singapore stood by China then and keep the cooperation together with overseas Chinese they break the back of the boycott.
It will negatively affect the election in Taiwan but the idea of peaceful reunification is a pipe dream anyway. China might as well give it up. It will never happened they better live with it and prepare for not so peaceful reunification
But if you start challenge the sanctity of the nation state they will be dealt harshly whether they are Uyghur or Han Chinese
This is what will happened if these young thug does not stop the madness blood will be on the street
The deployment of Chinese military police forces to the city of Shenzhen, just outside of Hong Kong, indicates Chinese President Xi Jinping's movement towards crushing the Hong Kong "Umbrella" protests. As on Tuesday, the protesters' seizure of Hong Kong's international airport would appear to have crossed a red line for Beijing.
But what happens if Xi does send in the military? What will follow?
First, the military would probably wait to see if the presence of the People's Armed Police on Hong Kong streets would be enough to deter the protesters. Beijing's hope would be to end the protest movement or at least dramatically reduce its energy by the threat of using force.
But that gambit is unlikely to succeed. The Umbrella Movement has been emboldened by a sense that the authorities lack the resolve and capacity to crush them. It is likely that the protesters will want to challenge China's willingness to use force.
If they do, the People's Armed Police will take escalated action. Recently reorganized under the command of the Central Military Commission in Beijing, the military police have both the authority and support to act decisively. Their deployment to Shenzhen is notable both for its presentation of physical threat and also its indication of Xi's personal direction. This is not a regionally authorized or directed deployment to simply support the Hong Kong police. In other terms, think of this as the deployment of the 101st Airborne Division rather than a National Guard unit. If the military police does enter Hong Kong, its effort will be integrated with the People's Liberation Army Southern Theater Command headquarters and civilian intelligence service.
What then? First, the military police will likely enter the airport to restore public control over the situation. In effort to deter the protests from continuing, the military police will likely act with significant use of force. It will then move to secure areas of Hong Kong that have been targeted by the protesters. Any surge in protester violence will then be crushed quickly and relentlessly. Note here that Chinese military doctrine is focused on securing the visible supremacy of the Chinese Communist Party. It is thus feasible that the military might remove protest leaders from Hong Kong to the mainland.
Yet the key point here is that once the military is deployed, Beijing will be fully committed to victory. The Central Military Commission will be keenly aware of international attention to its military action. It will not want to encourage any perception abroad of its hesitation in the moment of action, in fear of emboldening actors such as the United States to more resolute resistance of China's .
In short, there will be blood.
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Quickie
Colonel
Sending in the troops is way over disproportionate. A more proportionate response would be to start arresting the culprits for breaking the law.
Illegal assembly at the airport and disrupting its operation is already breaking the law and is enough reason for the Hong Kong authorities to start taking more forceful action like rounding up the culprits and making the arrest.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Then what? You arrest a couple of people, next week, they gather again. Meanwhile, they host riots outside of the jailhouse throwing bricks at the police while the police use pepper spray. These people aren't scared of HK police and can't be controlled by HK police because they were given too many freedoms with authority being too lax in HK. When the PLA comes in there with tanks and assault rifles, they will know that they are staring into the eyes of the Grim Reaper and they will not be saved by their numbers. Then the problem becomes whether or not you allow them to disperse and go home. If you do, now you have tens of thousands of likely terrorists hidden in the population that wish to be pawns and take missions from the CIA on how to undermine their own country. If you do, that is...
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