All newType-59 thread

[hardware]

US originally wanted install auto loader on M-1,but realized that repairing tank need at least 4 or 5 person to do the job.the plan were later scrap.

 

[rhino123]

US originally wanted install auto loader on M-1,but realized that repairing tank need at least 4 or 5 person to do the job.the plan were later scrap.

Your point being? You mean that if the Chinese put autoloader into their supposedly cheap T-59, they would need less people to repair the tank? That doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[hardware]

Your point being? You mean that if the Chinese put autoloader into their supposedly cheap T-59, they would need less people to repair the tank? That doesn't make any sense at all.

why china do not install bustle auto loader was to cut cost,it will make the tank more marketable to third world countries.

 

[rhino123]

Norinco is offering upgrade T-59 call T-59P, this basically use T-59 chassic ,but with complete new wielded turrent.armed with 125mm gun,but according chinese mag.the tank do not include auto-loader similiar type-99 tank.according to engineer,the turrent ring simple to small .round has to be manually loaded. the tank appear tanzania military parade.
surprising,China unable to design a compact bustle auto loader or try to keep T-59P cheap to attract some third world client.

why china do not install bustle auto loader was to cut cost,it will make the tank more marketable to third world countries.

And there you are... asking and then answering your own question (of course I do give you that answer in my posts already.) And it is really funny... first you say China unable to design a compact bustle autoloader to attract some third world client... then after a few exchange of comments (by yours truely) and you came up with some revelation... that china do not instal the bustle auto loader so as to cut cost and make the tank more marketable to third world country. I hope you see the funny side of things

 

[delft]

last month,there is picture appear in the web showing PLA loading 105mm HESH round but with english alphabet!
with 105mm gun being phase out not only in UK,but also another countries such as holland and germany,there are million round of 105mm ammo being scrapped, scrapping the round can prove expensive.possible that China brought the surplus ammo from UK.since it prove to be much cheaper to buy it at a bargain price than produce it.

Correction: the tanks being sold by The Netherlands are its remaining Leopards with 120 mm guns. And wouldn't you sell your excess rounds, if they are still not over the use by date, with the tanks so the new owner can use them to train his troops?

 

[FORBIN]

 

[lostboy]

last month,there is picture appear in the web showing PLA loading 105mm HESH round but with english alphabet!
with 105mm gun being phase out not only in UK,but also another countries such as holland and germany,there are million round of 105mm ammo being scrapped, scrapping the round can prove expensive.possible that China brought the surplus ammo from UK.since it prove to be much cheaper to buy it at a bargain price than produce it.

Wow, that's a news! Maybe I've been out of touch for a while but since when has China been able to buy military hardware from Europe?

 

[PanAsian]

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Any information on where and when this picture was taken? Who do these tanks belong to?

 

[antiterror13]

Wow, that's a news! Maybe I've been out of touch for a while but since when has China been able to buy military hardware from Europe?

China has been buying "weapons" from Europe .... engine, heli, avionic, etc. And really Ammo 105mm is not something China couldn't make ... just economic and practical reasons

 

[rhino123]

Wow, that's a news! Maybe I've been out of touch for a while but since when has China been able to buy military hardware from Europe?

China has been buying "weapons" from Europe .... engine, heli, avionic, etc. And really Ammo 105mm is not something China couldn't make ... just economic and practical reasons

Wow... that is a really dead horse you guys are flogging. I would really suggest that you ignore this Hardware guy, he had been banned and if you have the time and had nothing on hand, do read some of his posts... most of them have absolutely no references, and many that have references are pick from extremely unreliable sources and many members here had already have their fill trying to tell him to stop his nonsense before he was being banned.

As to the non-existing photo that Hardware mentioned before...

1) 105mm rounds are not exactly high-tech ammunition. China had all the capability and experience to build them.
2) As for English characters on those rounds, it was either - BS, or the Chinese do export their rounds, so it is common sense that they do have English characters on some of their ammunition and equipment, just like... they have the words 'POLICE' on some of their police uniform and bulletproof vests... so... with Hardware's weird logic, does this means the Chinese also import these vests?

In Hardware's world... the Chinese are primitive monkeys that couldn't do anything themselves at all and everything needed to be imported either legally or illegally.