Aircraft Carriers III

Mar 15, 2019
now
Acting SECDEF Shanahan Defends Truman Carrier Cut to Senate Panel
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and
The Pentagon’s plan to decommission an aircraft carrier looks half baked and dead on arrival
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reposting just
‘Civil War’
part so that I'll have read it three times:
‘Civil War’

The move to decom Truman is the result of a deal cut between the Office of the Secretary of Defense — its Cost Assessment and Program Evaluation office being the driving force — and the Navy. In that deal, the Navy traded the
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to buy two Ford-class aircraft carriers from Huntington Ingalls Industries for canceling the Truman’s refueling, according to multiple media reports and confirmation to Defense News by defense officials who spoke on background.

The backdrop for the move is an ongoing “civil war” over the future of carriers in the military,
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. Under Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, OSD began pushing the idea that by 2040 the carrier would no longer be relevant against peer adversaries, Foreign Policy reported. The carrier is under threat from evermore sophisticated Chinese anti-ship cruise missiles with ranges out to 1,000 nautical miles from shore, and the loss of the ship is untenable, the argument goes.

Furthermore, Mattis’ acting successor, Shanahan, has also taken up the cause, pushing for a gradual step back from carriers.

The Navy internally pushed back on that idea, arguing that a mobile airfield is will remain more valuable than a stationary one, and that tactical aircraft will be needed in a fight with China or Russia.

Publicly, the DoD maintains that it’s committed to carriers, but, somewhat disjointedly, pivots to investments it’s making in the areas of hypersonics ad unmanned technologies.

“We harvested savings in terms of the two carrier buy, but also the Truman recapitalization, and canceling that availed other opportunities for the department to invest in new areas,” a defense official said, speaking to reporters on background in conjunction with the fiscal 2020 budget rollout. “We’ve got further experiments to do, but those resource that were made available there will be applied to new war-fighting techniques as we look to the future.”

The Navy in 2020 is procuring a large unmanned surface combatant, part of the effort to distribute fires and sensors away from large manned combatants that control them. But so far it seems no such large unmanned hull exists. The hypersonics and other long-range, long-standoff weapons that the DoD believes will recoup the advantage from China are also still in development and not mature.

Moving away from a mature technology without conducting a thorough analysis on the hope that new technologies pan out is foolish, said Callendar, the Heritage Foundation analyst.

“The Navy will have [aircraft carriers] for at least another 40-50 years in some capacity,” Callender said. "Rather than declaring victory for the Chinese and just decommissioning them all, OSD and the Navy should focus on near- and longer-term capabilities and concepts of operations that will make the carriers and carrier strike groups more survivable and able to fight where needed.

“Some of these are the capabilities OSD is directing the Navy to invest in that will indeed make the [carrier strike group] more survivable and lethal in a great power war. The primary focus should be on longer-range, survivable air-launched weapons for [carrier air wings] and new manned and unmanned strike/fighter carrier aircraft with longer range and the ability to penetrate enemy air defenses better.”

In the end, it doesn’t have to be an either/or proposition, he noted.

“It should not be all-in for high tech weapons and give up on current fleet and air wing,” he said. “OSD should strive to develop emerging technologies and weapons that can regain the strategic advantage, while also adding more mature capabilities today and developing new tactics and [concepts of operations] to address an adversary’s weakness with current forces and weapons systems used on different platforms and new missions other than original design.”

But others question whether continuing to develop the aircraft carrier is the right approach if technology that will only continue to advance threatens the ship type’s viability.

“The history of warfare is a history of the ebb and flow between offensive and defensive capabilities,” said Jerry Hendrix, a retired Navy captain and analyst with The Telemus Group. "The supercarrier has been the exemplar of offensive power projection for a century now but it appears that either the enemy has gained an advantage in defensive fires from shore or that the Navy has decided that the cost of investing in a new longer ranged carrier airwing is just too great a burden at this time.

“It appears that we have taken the first step towards moving away from the carrier as the centerpiece of American naval power perhaps toward more submerged capabilities, or hypersonic missiles launched from surface or submerged platforms. Either way the Navy seems intent on regaining the ability to project power ashore and hold the enemy at risk effectively.”
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
The Pentagon’s plan to decommission an aircraft carrier looks half baked and dead on arrival

Not surprised...I just knew that I knew that this would happen....I just knew.:D

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I just found out a couple of days ago that Italy is building a new carrier, LHD Trieste, to replace Cavour.....

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L9890 Trieste is a future multipurpose amphibious unit for the Italian Navy, classified officially as Landing Helicopter Dock. It is expected to replace only the Giuseppe Garibaldi around 2022. The ship will be equipped with heavy and medium helicopters and F-35B aircraft. The ship is expected to be launched in May 2019 and in service by June 2022.

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...
I heard of her
Nov 27, 2017
now I used images.google.com and got to:
LHD_Trieste.png

where there's a difference in the number of islands between the upper and lower panels of this picture, as far as I can see while drinking my early morning coffee LOL!
source is
WORKS FOR THE LHD TRIESTE HAVE STARTED AT CASTELLAMARE DI STABIA
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would be very interesting if true:

"However, the Navy’s top budget official said during a fiscal 2020 budget briefing that the service has already spent $537 million on the two nuclear reactor cores intended for refueling the Truman. They will now be put in storage as emergency replacements, he said."
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(noticed through
USS Truman's Early Retirement Could Present Questionable Future for Carriers
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)
 
would be very interesting if true:

"However, the Navy’s top budget official said during a fiscal 2020 budget briefing that the service has already spent $537 million on the two nuclear reactor cores intended for refueling the Truman. They will now be put in storage as emergency replacements, he said."
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(noticed through
USS Truman's Early Retirement Could Present Questionable Future for Carriers
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sounds like real world:

... Seapower and projection forces subcommittee chairman Rep. Joe Courtney (D-Conn.) ...

“We’ve already got about $500 million in sunk costs for the reactors, which according to the Navy are going to be, quote, put on a shelf. … So the savings that you’re projecting in the 2020 budget itself,
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. … We’re dealing with a decision that’s premature in terms of the sequence of the Navy’s updated Force Structure Assessment, we have $500 million in sunk costs that are already out the door, and we’re going to save $17 million with this request in the 2020 budget. Again, that really doesn’t add up to a very good business case in terms of the very tough decision that we’re going to have to make.”

(it's inside the most recent USNI News
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Jun 9, 2017
I'll show you something:

GAO: Navy carrier will be incomplete, cost more at delivery
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Published: November 21, 2014


2014, see? they saw the PR STUNT (the Ford delivery) coming three years ago! another PR STUNT will soon follow (the Ford commissioning)

instead of requesting the vendor to deliver the product (and not jokes like the Zumwalt now and the Ford now), the USN accepts and commissions obviously unfinished ships, and I of course wouldn't talk about anything minor, I talk about for example the aircraft carrier unable to launch aircraft for years!

so, going back to that old article:
"The Navy plans to meet the $12.9 billion cost cap for its new aircraft carrier by accepting the ship unfinished and spending more money afterward ..."
I'll wait and see what the FINAL cost is, if they after coupla more years realized some 'transformational technologies' were actually botched etc.
now
USS Gerald Ford Delivery Delayed Due to Extensive Nuclear Propulsion, Weapons Elevator Repairs; Carrier Won’t be Ready Until October
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and
Why the carrier Ford is delayed again
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bd popeye

The Last Jedi
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Jura , do you have a photographic memory? You always pull stuff up from years ago. Amazing!

As for the GRF..I don't remember when but I think I read when she was going back into the shipyard that it was stated she would not be ready until the autumn of 2019. I just don't remember where I read that.
 
Jura , do you have a photographic memory?
negative

You always pull stuff up from years ago. Amazing!
first I should thank you, but what's actually amazing is how some people forget what they claimed in the past;

my memory serves me relatively well and this sometimes means trouble

As for the GRF..I don't remember when but I think I read when she was going back into the shipyard that it was stated she would not be ready until the autumn of 2019. I just don't remember where I read that.
well last Spring they said "a yearlong maintenance and upgrade period":
Jul 16, 2018
Today at 1:14 PM
now NavalToday praising
USS Gerald R. Ford enters HII yard for post-shakedown repairs
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Air Force Brat

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first I should thank you, but what's actually amazing is how some people forget what they claimed in the past;

my memory serves me relatively well and this sometimes means trouble

well last Spring they said "a yearlong maintenance and upgrade period":
Jul 16, 2018

Can't "Forgive and Forget" can you?? LOL, I'm thankful I can forget lots of "stuff"! that also serves me well! but to your point, I don't always recognize my own posts until I see my avatar! LOL
 
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