Aircraft Carriers III

You probably ought to read the article, there are increases there all over the place, I believe 20 F-35C's and 10 F-35B's, so pretty encouraging overall, additionally around 20 more F-5's for adversary squadrons, its a very good plan overall....
"The the aircraft budget, the Navy wants to spend $18.6 billion to purchase 148 aircraft, including 20 F-35Cs, which is four more compared to last year’s plan. But it also wants to buy 10 F-35Bs, 10-plane fewer than estimated last year."
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The US Navy now says it'll reach 355 ships by 2034, while whacking F-35Bs and a carrier from its five-year plan. What's the strategy?
March 12, 2019
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
It makes no sense. I doubt that German voters will fund the carrier.
Germany does not have overseas colonies to defend.
most modern countries don't have colonies any more even if they did Carriers aren't about that. They are a projection of National Solverenty and power to be integrated into a naval force.
But the carrier doesn't matter to her. The power does.

France would be better off trying to cooperate with Italy and Spain on the carrier now that the UK is out.
The woman behind the proposal is German, Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer not French. It's about Berlin and Paris. Rome hasn't held the seat of Europe since the Reformation and shifts in political power from Holy Emperor of Europe King of Kings to political puppet to spiritual advisor. Madrid hasn't held the seat of Europe at all.
Berlin and Paris however are the central Nexus points of European money and political power. Without firing a shot The EU conquered and unified Europe for Germany and France.

The point isn't about operation of the carrier. Germany hasn't had a Carrier program since the Graf Zeppelin was taken by the Soviets.
It is about centralized power.
The "Eurotank" Franco-German made. The Euro Next generation Fighter Franco German Made, the Euro Carrier Franco German made. The aim is to centralize European military power as Franco German. With Britan out of the EU those two states are the center of the EU.
The EU Parliament traveling road show may not meet in Berlin or Paris but it speaks in either a French or German accent.
The three projects are three of the most powerful military technologies and weapons a nation in the modern age can have short of Nuclear weapons. A 4th gen Tank the Army, a 6th gen Fighter the Airforce and a Carrier the Navy.
 

gelgoog

Brigadier
Registered Member
Italy and Spain have carriers. Germany doesn't have anything larger than a frigate.
Both those countries have islands far away from the main peninsula where they are situated. While France has overseas territories. All these countries occasionally do interventions in former colonies where they have political and cultural ties. Sometimes with significant population in them.

The Eurotank or the fighter is one thing. The carrier is another.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Again doesn’t matter. This was proposed by a German politician. It doesn’t matter if it’s practical for the German nation to gain a carrier. Because it’s not about the German nation it’s the European Union as a extension of German and French power.
The aim is to centralize power. Not French carrier not Italian or Spanish not even German but “EUROPEAN”
This is meant to string future projects through one or both of those states. This is the logic behind Eurotank, behind NGF and Eurocarrier. In this case perhaps even more “Euro” as a step to combine at some level there forces yet it would still be beholden to orders from Berlin and Paris. The End product really doesn’t matter it’s the symbolic nature of the project that lead it’s selection.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
... which will be named after her?
LoL.
Something tells me that would go over very well in the other capital of the EU.
I would name such a ship Charlemagne after the Frankish King and Emperor who for a time unified most of western Europe. But I guarantee that wouldn't fly in modern European politics and the program would probably end up like his empire did at his death.
 
The Virginia senators and congressmen plus others will not let this happen. TOO much money at stake.
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Acting SECDEF Shanahan Defends Truman Carrier Cut to Senate Panel
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The acting secretary of defense defended the Pentagon’s decision to retire a Nimitz-class carrier 25 years early during a hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee on Thursday.

In response to chairman Sen. Jim Inhofe’s (R-Okla.) questions on why the Department of Defense was calling for shedding the carrier, Acting Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan framed retiring USS Harry S. Truman (CVN-75) as a trade between a legacy capability and investment in future systems. Shanahan said the retirement of Truman was offset by the two-ship buy of future Ford-class carriers in a deal negotiated with Huntington Ingalls Industries
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“Let me walk through the benefits of the decision and then potential off-ramps so that we don’t find ourselves in a difficult situation,” Shanahan told Inhofe.

“With this decision of the two-carrier buy and to not refuel the Truman, our lethality of our carriers and capabilities increases with the two carriers. The second is, until [the] mid-20s we maintain the level of 11 carriers. Part of the calculus here was to maintain employment. In fact, with [this] decision, we grow employment in the industrial base. We want to make sure that not only the shipyards maintain their employment, there’s actually growth, but also [growth in] the supply chain. The last is the funds that we freed up making these decisions are invested in the future force.”

Shanahan told the panel the two-carrier deal saved the Navy $4 billion, and opting not to refuel and overhaul Truman would save additional $3.4 billion over the five-year future years defense plan.

Inhofe replied, “I’m still not happy with the results of that, and my mental numbers don’t agree with that.”

Later in the hearing, Shanahan told Sen. Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii) that the move to cancel the Truman refueling and complex overhaul (RCOH) would refocus the workforce in the shipyards on other tasks like building the new Ford carriers.

“The workforce, when we look at what is in the shipyards the combination of submarines, new carriers and then maintenance, all that is done in the same shipyard and that workforce moves from project to project,” he told Hirono. “When we look at the total employment, the total employment goes up in the period of time we’re building the two carriers.”

Hirono responded, “as I talk with some people from the shipyards, I’m not sure that is the case.”

Though he didn’t name yard in testimony, Shanahan was referring to Huntington Ingalls Industries’ Newport News Shipbuilding yard in Virginia. In addition to building Ford-class aircraft carriers, about a third of the yard is responsible for buildings sections of the Virginia-class submarine and another third of the workforce focuses on the Nimitz-class RCOHs.

A request for comment to see if Hirono had spoken with HII officials on the issue was acknowledged by a Hirono spokesperson but not immediately returned.

Hirono went on to ask Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joseph Dunford if he would elect to refuel Truman.

“If I look at it from the military dimension alone, that would be true, but I have to acknowledge that the secretary and the president have broader responsibilities than I do,” Dunford said.

On Wednesday, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson told reporters the cost savings on the two-carrier buy was not inherently linked to the costs savings from the RCOH.

“I don’t think they are connected. The two-carrier buy is a statement about the aircraft carrier moving forward. Particularly, the new aircraft carrier,” Richardson said. “The decision on Truman is really connected to balancing capabilities between 25 years of the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier against the requirements, which are being studied. Also, this idea that we want to make sure we’re not missing opportunities to exploit technology. I don’t see them as being tightly coupled.”

Despite the budget calling for Truman‘s retirement, the Navy is making no moves at the moment to cut an air wing as part of the retirement, USNI News understands.

Thursday’s hearing is a preview what will likely be a tough fight over canceling the refueling of Truman.

In addition to the SASC, House Armed Services Committee leaders have said they would oppose canceling the refueling.

“Keeping refueling and complex overhauls on schedule and advanced procurement funded properly is critical to meeting combatant commander’s demand for carrier strike groups,” Rep. Rob Wittman (R-Va.), the ranking member of the House Armed Services seapower and projections forces subcommittee, told USNI News in February.

“We have made a significant investment in these ships, and I am perplexed why anyone would consider taking the cornerstone of the United States Naval Force and allowing it to atrophy.”

Under last year’s budget, the Navy was set to spend only about $16.9 million on advance planning on Truman’s refueling in Fiscal Year 2020 with a total spend of $1.5 billion from FY 2020 to 2023.
 
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