A New Cold War?

AndrewS

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From the Lowy Institute in Australia.
The Australian is the biggest print newspaper in Australia.

BEWARE OF JOINING US IN A COLD WAR IT CAN’T WIN

Published in The Australian on 21 November 2018

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Australia made a mistake at the APEC summit, a mistake that tells us a lot about how the China challenge is being mishandled.

First, the good news. The agreement announced earlier this month to develop a naval base at Lombrum on Manus Island, which might be home to a permanent Australian naval presence, is a welcome display of initiative from Australia and Papua New Guinea.

The contest for influence and maritime advantage in this region has worked its way into a pattern of action and reaction, with Beijing acting and everyone else reacting. This announcement marks a new stage in the contest, one in which Beijing too will have to respond rather than constantly setting the agenda. But we learned at APEC that the agreement to develop Lombrum was not a bilateral initiative — the US is taking part, too, though we don’t know yet exactly how it will be involved or how much money it is stumping up.

Scott Morrison told the media in Port Moresby at the weekend that the decision to involve the US was a Papua New Guinea initiative. It’s hard to believe, though, that Australia didn’t also have a hand in that decision.

At the very least, we can say with certainty that it wouldn’t have happened without Australia’s consent.

Why was this a mistake? Because it ties a worthy initiative to an American agenda that is high on ambitious and provocative rhetoric but low on substance.

On his way to APEC, US Vice-President Mike Pence told The Washington Post that if China wanted to avoid a Cold War with the US and its partners, Beijing alone must change. The US position, Pence said, was not up for negotiation. China alone had to offer concessions on market access, the South China Sea and on its political interference in the West. And if China was not prepared to concede?

“Then so be it,” Pence said. “We are here to stay.”

Let’s be clear about the full connotations of the term “Cold War”: it means a geopolitical struggle between two great-power rivals competing over spheres of influence, fighting in proxy wars, engaging in arms races, competing ideologically over the political character of the region and even attempting to change each other’s political systems.

Pence’s comments were surprising only in their bluntness. He had made his views on China clear in a speech last month: “China wants nothing less than to push the United States of America from the western Pacific and attempt to prevent us from coming to the aid of our allies. But they will fail.”

Nor is he the first US leader to use a Cold War ideological framing with regard to China. In November 2011, almost exactly seven years ago, president Barack Obama launched America’s pivot to Asia. He said “history shows that, over the long run, democracy and economic growth go hand-in-hand. And prosperity without freedom is just another form of poverty”.

That speech was delivered in Canberra with the Gillard Labor government in office, so there is bipartisan consensus on tying Australia to this Cold War framing.

One wonders, however, if Pence really knows what he is signing his country up to. The same question could be asked of the Morrison government.

Economically, China is much bigger than the USSR ever was, and by some measures it is already the biggest economy in the world. Its military capabilities are growing along with its economic might.

A report released last week by a high-profile independent bipartisan commission in the US concluded: “China already presents a severe test of US interests in the Indo-Pacific and beyond and is on a path to become, by mid-century, a military challenger the likes of which America has not encountered since the Cold War-era Soviet Union.”

The commission may have understated the problem. US naval analyst Andrew Erickson assesses that on present trends, China will have a fleet that its quantitatively and even perhaps qualitatively on a par with that of the US Navy by 2030.

Then there is the question of America’s resolve. There is not much evidence that the US is readying itself for a contest on this scale. Both Pence and Obama have issued strong words when travelling in Asia, but has US policy in the region matched that language? And has any recent US president delivered a speech to his own people to prepare them for a struggle that could be tougher than the 40-plus year Cold War against Soviet communism?

None of this to say Australia should raise the white flag. Australia can still protect its interests in a world in which China has a much bigger say and a region in which it has a much bigger presence. The proposed naval base in Manus can play a part in a defence posture that would make it very costly for China to militarily coerce us — but that’s a much more modest ambition than Pence articulated.

Nor is this an argument for excluding the US from the Manus initiative — PNG and Australia could easily have invited the US to use the new facility once it was constructed.

But before it is even built, we have now associated the Manus base with a struggle for which the US is not equipped and which it is perhaps not even motivated to win.

Sam Roggeveen is director of the Lowy Institute’s international security program
 

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From the Bloomberg Editorial Board

A New Cold War With China? No, Thanks

The U.S. can defend its interests without making Beijing an enemy.
By Editorial Board
29 November 2018, 00:30 GMT

This weekend’s G-20 summit in Buenos Aires matters less for the main proceedings than for U.S. President Donald Trump’s expected encounter with Chinese President Xi Jinping. Trump has lately seemed intent on escalating their quarrel over trade, and Xi has shown no sign of backing down. With neither side willing to compromise, the dispute runs the risk of causing a complete breakdown in U.S.-China relations, and poses the single biggest threat to global peace and stability.

Understand, this isn’t just about Trump. In the background stands a new consensus on China. Opinions have shifted with bewildering speed. As little as a year ago, trade-policy experts and longtime China-watchers mocked the president’s obsession with the trade deficit and opposed his threatened tariffs. Now, without moderating their contempt for Trump, many liberal internationalists and advocates of open markets seem to agree with the administration’s hard-liners. They see China as a grand strategic threat — one that needs to be confronted, much as the Soviet Union was confronted during the Cold War.

The new consensus is wrong.

To be sure, China has given the hawks plenty of material. In recent weeks, it has
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and bullied delegates at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit;
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a U.S. Navy vessel on the open seas;
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the Chinese president of Interpol and
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agitating for workers’ rights; continued
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the space for open debate in Hong Kong; and, ignoring a global outcry,
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the re-education camps in which a reported million Muslim Uighurs in western China may have been incarcerated.

This is not to mention the longer-term ways in which China appears to be threatening U.S. interests and the liberal international order. Its
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economic policies, including the forced transfer and outright theft of technology from foreign companies, have strained the global trading regime to breaking point. Its Belt and Road infrastructure push has added to a dangerous pileup of developing-country
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. It has bullied Taiwan, and defied United Nations rulings against island-building in the South China Sea. U.S. Vice President Mike Pence’s recent
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against China in Washington, D.C. and at the APEC summit in Papua New Guinea didn’t lack for specifics.

Even so, two things need to be kept in mind. First, and contrary to current thinking, the U.S. wasn’t wrong to engage with communist China in the 1990s and welcome it into the global trading system. Not all of the architects of this policy (which commanded bipartisan support) took it for granted that engagement would produce a more liberal China. Rather, they thought it would serve U.S. interests better than an effort to exclude and isolate. And they were almost certainly correct.

Second, though China poses challenges and its government doesn’t share the West’s liberal values, mischaracterizing the threat doesn’t help to address it. It’s true, for instance, that the Belt and Road program has fueled corruption, debt and white-elephant infrastructure projects — but this is due to
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and coordination rather than a plot to entrap victims and seize their strategic assets. It’s true that China is building a surveillance state and exporting some of the technology abroad — but it’s hyperbolic to say that its proposed “
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” is intrinsically totalitarian. It’s true that Chinese military spending and capabilities are growing rapidly — but they’re still
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by those of the U.S.

Here’s the main thing: Acting on the theory that China is a hostile revisionist power intent on supplanting the U.S. would be counterproductive. It would affirm the darkest views of China’s hawks. It would make accommodation on issues of vital mutual interest — trade, North Korea and climate change — harder, if not impossible. A new policy of exclude-and-isolate would further weaken beleaguered economic liberals within China. It would increase the risk that small incidents will be mismanaged and spiral into outright conflict. It would cause any number of self-destructive ideas — such as
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Chinese students from the U.S. — to proliferate.

The alternative isn’t to be meek. Unassailable military power is essential. Maintaining that capacity, and letting this be understood, is necessary, even if shows of force need to be carefully judged. Continuing to sail and fly wherever international law allows, including in the South China Sea, should be non-negotiable. Markers of this kind matter. For the same reason, the U.S. was right to join Australia in
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in the South Pacific.

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of emerging technologies that might lend themselves to military uses.

The administration should be bolstering not undermining institutions such as the World Trade Organization, enabling them to bind China more securely to global rules. Moves to screen Chinese investments in U.S. technology companies, and to expand U.S. investments in infrastructure abroad through the new International Development Finance Corporation, are entirely justified. All of this should be coordinated with allies, which
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many of the same concerns.

China is entitled to strive for economic growth — and its success in that endeavor need pose no threat to the U.S. But if China hopes to remain part of the liberal trading order, it ought to accept its rules, which impose obligations on governments to maintain open markets. Industrial policies that put foreign producers at a disadvantage violate the spirit and often the letter of agreements that China has signed up to. That needs to change — and it can, especially if the U.S. cooperates with Europe and other allies. Given time, China is likely to realize that throwing money at Chinese startups and coercing foreign investors into handing over technology aren’t the
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of encouraging domestic innovation. The smartest way for the U.S. to advance this prospect would be to join the revamped Trans-Pacific Partnership that it foolishly abandoned.

Trump and his officials present a parody of self-confidence. What America and its friends need is less strutting and more conviction. The values that underpinned U.S. global leadership for decades aren’t out of date. There’s no cause for a strong and prosperous America to see China as a mortal threat — and every reason to avoid making it one. The meeting in Buenos Aires is a chance to mend this world-shaping relationship. Both leaders ought to seize it.

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antiterror13

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I got distraught Yesterday at 9:46 PM
in fact there had been issues with the SDF and I was unable to edit that post which is not completely cogent LOL


now,

"... the natural gas equivalent of a barrel of oil simply rounds out to 6,000 cubic feet ..."

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so 1
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is about 167 cubic meters of natural gas;


Oct 14, 2018


(38e9/167) is for a whole year, (38e9/167)/365 is about 62341 (sixty-two thousand etc.),

while you claimed one order of magnitude more

#44 Anlsvrthng, Yesterday at 9:30



I'll rephrase:
China may import from Russia, by the pipeline I talked about, 38e9 cubic meters of gas yearly,
which is an equivalent of about 227545e3 barrels of oil yearly = about 62 thousand barrels daily,
not your "600 000 barrel / day"


Sorry to say that it is correct ~600,000 barrel/day ... @Anlsvrthng is correct
 

Anlsvrthng

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yes ... you are correct .... see my reply to @Jura

btw ... do you still use Windows XP ? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
I have only Mathcad 6.0, from 96, and that works only on WinXP or older. And it is actually win7 pro virtual machine / WinXP mode.

Very handy , capable to do unit conversions and so on, means easy to over check any calculations.

I think I am one of the few online poster who crosscheck prior posting the data with detailed mathcad calculations : P

It can do integration, means example to calculate fuel requirement difference for Hohmann transfer vs. ion propulsion require few line of equation.
 

antiterror13

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I have only Mathcad 6.0, from 96, and that works only on WinXP or older. And it is actually win7 pro virtual machine / WinXP mode.

Very handy , capable to do unit conversions and so on, means easy to over check any calculations.

I think I am one of the few online poster who crosscheck prior posting the data with detailed mathcad calculations : P

It can do integration, means example to calculate fuel requirement difference for Hohmann transfer vs. ion propulsion require few line of equation.

thats very ancient Mathcad ....., current Mathcad is totally a different beast

btw ..... it is a bit overkill to use Mathcad for such simple conversion, it can be done easily without anything and also with common sense
 

Anlsvrthng

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thats very ancient Mathcad ....., current Mathcad is totally a different beast

btw ..... it is a bit overkill to use Mathcad for such simple conversion, it can be done easily without anything and also with common sense

: )

Mathcad is useful due to unit conversion .

It is possible to calculate things like $/barrel, $/year or $/project, showing all calculation step, and get as result the units.

Even to do complex currency exchanges,and so on.

Advisable to use mathcad for complex math calculations prior of implementing them into software( or business algorithms )

I use the most recent mathcad at one of my workplace, but at my other workplace it is not required (yet : ) ), so I just get one from ebay, for 20 pounds.

Only thing is the animation that I miss.
 

antiterror13

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I have only Mathcad 6.0, from 96, and that works only on WinXP or older. And it is actually win7 pro virtual machine / WinXP mode.

Very handy , capable to do unit conversions and so on, means easy to over check any calculations.

I think I am one of the few online poster who crosscheck prior posting the data with detailed mathcad calculations : P

It can do integration, means example to calculate fuel requirement difference for Hohmann transfer vs. ion propulsion require few line of equation.

Is it the reason that you still use Win 7 Pro for XP mode? because Win 10 has no longer that feature?
 
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