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Below is what I have posted on Pakistan Military thread earlier.....
Pakistan usually get things tailored .... hence this might be a possibility but nothing in the circles.
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Below is what I have posted on Pakistan Military thread earlier.....
Pakistan usually get things tailored .... hence this might be a possibility but nothing in the circles.
Currently there is no rumor or hint suggesting that Pakistan Army is still interested in Z-10, there were news from the officials of Turkish defence Industry for the deal of 30 T-129 but till now this deal is also in pending/delay .... In Pakistan we are near to election this year so the closer of any potential deal would be very difficult year, status might change in the first quarter of the next year
MwRYum
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In other words, anything will have to wait till the election is over...but for Z-10, we all know that it's China's first attempt in the dedicated attack helo category, and its weak engine issue is no secret to anyone. To the Chinese, what'd be more valuable is the trial report they get from PA, because PA has access to other Western-bloc attack helo and actually operated them in numbers.
From the look of that video the cockpit windows seem to be some thin glass/acrylic... does anyone know what the ballistic protection of the cockpit on the Z-10 is like? It seems pretty sad if a random burst of rifle fire could endanger the pilots.
The Apache, according to Boeing can resist 12.7mm on the entirety of the aircraft and up to 23mm rounds around the engine and other vital areas.
The Apache, according to Boeing can resist 12.7mm on the entirety of the aircraft and up to 23mm rounds around the engine and other vital areas.
MwRYum
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The price to pay for wimpy engines I guess...
To be fair, I'm sure the newer Z-10s have an uprated version of the WZ-9. If the engines were really such an issue, I don't see why the PLA will keep on ordering (it's been 7 years already). There are over 200 currently ... surely the Z-10 would have undergone internal improvements by now. It doesn't look like the PLA are in a rush to incorporate the WZ-16 ... so they should be satisfied with the current performance.
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But isn't a bit far-off to compare the Z-10 with the Apache or even Russian Mi-28 and Ka-50/52 ?
So better with the A.129, the Tiger or Cobra ... what are they able to resist?
The Tiger is rated to protect the crew against 7.62mm-12.7mm, with further ‘add-on’ armour modules available. No further details though.
Can’t seem to find anything on ballistic protection on the KA 50.
MwRYum
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It's known fact that the current iteration was after they gave the Z-10 a crash diet, which is why we always saw Z-10 take off with such light loadout, amongst other things. Also, active and passive countermeasures are absent - things like countermeasure launchers, exhaust IR suppressor, etc.
Now, the assumption is that things will look up when the WZ16 or models with comparable power rating enters service, the current production of Z-10 have provisions built-in to take it, along with whatever stuff they took out during the crash diet...besides, China needs such a dedicated attack helo for their own people to get used to, at this time since they ain't doing full scale warfare, this can still be considered as a tolerable issue...
I agree, this version of the Z-10 is more like a training version of an attack helicopter for crews and ground troops. The South Koreans call such a type a light attack helicopter while the Apache is considered an attack helicopter. Also relative to the size of China the number of such helicopters is tiny. Just imagine the size of South China with a population like the US and they may have 30 or 50.
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