Z-10 thread

[Black Shark]

Everything he said is not so true. To many unknown factors and mood point about Agility is, lighter helicopters have lower time to recover from momentum created during maneuvering with high take off weight. The electronics are completley unknown, the weapons integration just started and already is beyond what Apaches have ever recieved and no promises for Apaches to recieve any new type of weapon integration than what they have for decades. Unkown statistics and parameters for Z-10 so means we do not know much about it to even guesstimate performance of LTOW/NTOW or MTOW with current nor with future engines.

Comparing something known that is already known not to be the best with something unknown and declaring it as better is silly.

 

[SinoSoldier]

By the same measure, the only serious deficit that needs to be fixed with the Z-10 is the turboshaft. From this all other solutions will easily flow.

All you say is true.

I wanted to just show how in terms of form and stations, etc. They are very similar in appearance.

Adding that laser designating to the top of the mast is a nice touch of course on the Apache. Being able to self laser designate the targets is a critical function.

But, as you say, if the Z010 could just get a better turbo-shaft, most of the other issues would resolve themselves for what is already a very good looking and capable attack helo.

I know I would want to be on the receiving end of what it could dish out!

Indeed. However, a decent turboshaft would be very difficult to come by. The French probably would not allow military application of its Ardiden 3C and it's dubious as to whether the 1800 kW WZ-18 could be installed.

 

[SinoSoldier]

Everything he said is not so true. To many unknown factors and mood point about Agility is, lighter helicopters have lower time to recover from momentum created during maneuvering with high take off weight.

Lighter helicopters may hold the upper hand in agility provided that they have an equivalent or superior powerplant to another helicopter of a heavier mass. The AH-64 does not only have a greater power output, but a higher power-to-mass ratio, than the Z-10.

The electronics are completley unknown, the weapons integration just started and already is beyond what Apaches have ever recieved and no promises for Apaches to recieve any new type of weapon integration than what they have for decades. Unkown statistics and parameters for Z-10 so means we do not know much about it to even guesstimate performance of LTOW/NTOW or MTOW with current nor with future engines.

Of course, the technicalities of the helicopters' avionics are murky, but we do know that the AH-64 has the ability to carry a MMW radar, providing non-line-of-sight fire capabilities to its pilots. It also allows the platform to operate guided weaponry in poor visibility, wherein traditional laser-beam-riding munitions would be useless.

Comparing something known that is already known not to be the best with something unknown and declaring it as better is silly.

From observations regarding the two helicopters and their relative progress in the aspects of weapons integration and battlefield electronics, it's quite apparent who is the winner here.

 

[Iron Man]

Indeed. However, a decent turboshaft would be very difficult to come by. The French probably would not allow military application of its Ardiden 3C and it's dubious as to whether the 1800 kW WZ-18 could be installed.

I have no doubt a more powerful turboshaft engine is under development or even has already been developed, since the Z-20 that's already in trials certainly cannot be using the WZ-9 engine since the Z-20 is significantly larger than the Z-10. I think whatever turboshaft the Z-20 is using could be adapted to the Z-10.

 

[Franklin]

There is now an improved version of the Z10, the Z-10K that possibly includes a more powerful engine. But the proof will come either in the form of a official statement or we see pictures (a video even better) of a Z-10 flying with 16 HJ-10 missile's. Untill then its all speculation.

 

[SinoSoldier]

I have no doubt a more powerful turboshaft engine is under development or even has already been developed, since the Z-20 that's already in trials certainly cannot be using the WZ-9 engine since the Z-20 is significantly larger than the Z-10. I think whatever turboshaft the Z-20 is using could be adapted to the Z-10.

Whoops, I mistakenly wrote "WZ-18" instead of "WZ-10", which is the turboshaft used by the Z-20. However, the lack any integration thereof into the Z-10 suggests that it might be incompatible.

 

[SinoSoldier]

There is now an improved version of the Z10, the Z-10K that possibly includes a more powerful engine. But the proof will come either in the form of a official statement or we see pictures (a video even better) of a Z-10 flying with 16 HJ-10 missile's. Untill then its all speculation.

There are no signs that point to the Z-10K using a more powerful turboshaft.

 

[Iron Man]

Whoops, I mistakenly wrote "WZ-18" instead of "WZ-10", which is the turboshaft used by the Z-20. However, the lack any integration thereof into the Z-10 suggests that it might be incompatible.

 

[SinoSoldier]

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Misplaced faith in a thermal exhaust port is exactly what led to the demise of the Empire.

 

[vincent]

Misplaced faith in a thermal exhaust port is exactly what led to the demise of the Empire.

One would figure the Empire would have placed a net over the exhaust to prevent vermin from entering it.