Well putting six CJ-10 on the H-6K is about demonstrating the full capabilities of the bomber. This is different from mobilizing nearly 1/4 of the country's WZ-10s for just one parade. According to IISS, China only has less than 100 WZ-10s in frontline service. If the Chinese are serious about scaring the shit out of Abe, they only need one formation of WZ-10s, but all of them should carry at least 8 HJ-10s and the most recent multiple rocket launchers. However, I could be wrong because the sheer number might be a way to show off in front of the ordinary Chinese audiences, who know little about modern military technologies (like North Korean wasting money and fuel showing off tons of fake plastic missiles during its last parade, except the Chinese ones are real).
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At this point I think it's about 96 to 120 Z-10s, with eight to ten squadrons for the same number of brigades/regiments (and remember WZ-10 isn't the real designation of the helicopter). I see 9 Z-10s in a single formation from what I can see in the parade, maybe two at most, which could. There's another squadron of Z-19s or two as well (similarly there's likely 96-120 Z-19s in service by now as well).
As for arming either H-6Ks or Z-10s -- remember this is a parade. Parades are meant to be a dog and pony show, demonstrating potential combat capability in a celebratory way to a general audience.
Most nations do not arm their combat aircraft to completely full payloads even during military exercises, so why would they arm them with live munitions or even dummy munitions for a military parade?
The only reason it would make sense to arm these aircraft during a parade is if they were to immediately go to war straight after the parade.
So yes, for the purposes of a parade you absolutely do have your priorities mixed. There is no need to give any of the aircraft or tanks or whatever any form of actual munitions (or even the troops any real bullets), but there is absolutely a reason to fly or roll or march an impressive number of planes or AFVs or soldiers across the stage.
For an airshow (usually via static display), or for a demonstration to potential export customers, it makes sense to equip one's aircraft as impressively as possible, given the extra scrutiny and the interest paid to individual aircraft.
As for military parades, it's fairly standard practice for a variety of nations. India, Russia, South Korea all dabble as well. Even the UK still does extensive military pageants for the queen.
JayBird
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One of the main reason for the parade is meant to impress the average citizens of the country, and make them feel proud and confident of their own country's military prowess. I think the more Z-10 flying together the better. The pics look good in small pictures now, they will look amazing during the parade in real life. If you worry about waste of money and resources because of too many Z-10, might as well scrap the whole parade altogether. Parades are meant to be grand and memorable for the audience.
Oh No.... Chinese practicing Z-10 wave tactics for future invasion.
Oh No.... Chinese practicing Z-10 wave tactics for future invasion.
At least the RAF did not have the Typhoons carrying Storm Shadows, Napalms, or cluster munitions over Westminister earlier today (for the Queen's birthday).
Again, I have no idea what you mean by this post.
Are you saying that the RAF should have carried munitions, or that they shouldn't have? Because going from your previous post you seem to believe military aircraft during parades should carry heavy munition loads, and you haven't changed your position or addressed my reply to this point.
Or are you saying that it is good that the RAF typhoons didn't carry munitions, meaning an implicit change in your previous stance regarding the "need" for military aircraft to carry heavy loads of munitions?
"At least" also makes it sound like you're comparing the queen's parade with parades of other countries, which is even more confusing.
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It would also be nice if you addressed the rest of my reply to you regarding just what your opinion is on the matter now.
antiterror13
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you are just contradicting yourself. Did you read (or remember) your own previous posts before put a new post ? just wondering
TerraN_EmpirE
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The 70th Victory over Japan Parade differs form the Queens birthday in a major critical manor, the cause. The Queen's birthday is a celebration for the Monarchy and nation as a whole. the Victory over Japan seems to be aimed for a military Propaganda aim intended to show case the Great power of the PLA to both the nation at home and especially the region. at the heart of it is the "Modern" Chinese military power. as The PRCs first indigenous attack helicopters. the PLA will want to show it's Indigenous advances in detail.
Yup, I changed my stance. Same stance with you right now. However, not sure if you see the pattern of Chinese parades. They usually put two heat-seeking AAMs and two BVRAAMs on their J-8s, J-10s, J-11s, but that's far short of the carrying capacity of these fighter jets. Therefore, while the Russians, Brits, and the Americans never carry munitions during parades, the Chinese do it "half way." Just wondering, do you know what's the rational behind the Chinese "middle path"? It is not like an arms show, like what you mentioned, but the PLAAF still put SOME munitions. Not sure if you understand my new question.
I think a better way of looking at it is considering what is normal versus abnormal in the scope of military parades. Lightly equipping planes with dummies I think is within the scope of normal, as is not equipping planes with anything significant at all. I don't think there's any real underlying difference in message that is intending to be displayed.
However equipping planes with heavy payloads near their full loadouts (whether it is with dummies or heaven forbid, actual live munitions) would be more further down on the spectrum of being abnormal.
There's also really no need to read between the lines too much, sometimes a parade is just a parade and what we see or don't see isn't necessarily indicative of any deeper meaning.
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